Will Porsche build a successor to the Carrera GT?

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A bunch of pics by yours truly ... http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28503

I'll try to put a vid or two on the net (where to upload is the question...), but the driver was taking it rather easy, so it sounds quite understated, actually ...

 

they will make a c gt replacement if the c gt makes money for them. one has been sitting in local dealership past months and still not sold. used ones trade at discount from new. hypercar market seems saturated. p may be better off with sedan in future.

 

This is a stupid question IMO. A company like Porsche needs to keep up with all the other companys trying to sell their product. Of coarse they will build a successor. Why wouldn't they?

 

Great shots, many thanks. The CGT is so beautiful, even in dull seal gray. Does the seal gray look better in person, with the full light? I favor black for the CGT.

It's so telling how much more exquisite it is next to the other Porsches, not to bash but the difference is stark, especially next to the old 911. They truly should make another uber-Porsche.


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Cavallini

 

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Yes, clearly you missed the very poor sarcasm. And if you’re going to say ‘first’, make sure you say ‘second.’

‘If’ is the primary word. I would contend that the CGT is not a 'response' to the Enzo but a way to get cash out of their botched racing investment.

I wouldn't be foolish enough to do so.

Personally, I find your 142 word paragraph to be a long winded way of repeating what I said with less than half as many.

Perhaps you need to pay slightly more attention to what I wrote and what you wrote. When the 959 came out, it was alone. There was nothing else available to buy. Clearly then when the F40 came out it became a competitor. Until then it is not.

The last time Porsche raced was the GT1 in the late 90s. The latest 911 and Boxster just came out. They have no direct connection. They have whatever connection exists from the 40+ years of 911 racing. Nor does the Cayman. The Cayenne has at least raced in Dakar.

And no. Ferrari road cars have no direct connection to Ferraris racing efforts. V10 vs V8s and V12s. Totally different technology throughout and nothing that hasn’t been done by other supercars in the past. Nothing but perhaps the F1 shifter has any real connection. Anything else you believe to have a real connection is just delusions of grandeur.

Or that it’s flooded. And what with Gallardos having trouble selling that would seem to be more likely.

Porsche hadn't released a 200k+ plus car in almost two decades. Lamborghini and Ferrari have been making them that entire time period. Both Lambo and Ferrari most definitely do research the market before each new iteration of their cars. Pagani most certainly did quite extensive research into the market and ventured ideas and tried to secure buyers before he was even able to open up shop. Like wise Koenigsegg would have to do the same. Nor does Pagani or Koen- need to worry too much in the long run because they are producing a tiny amount of cars and need only to rely on eccentrics to hit their sales goals. But hey, why not throw Spyker and Noble in that mix as well? Do you think Ferrari actually looks at a Noble or a Spyker and says ‘hmm, they might just steal my customers away’, do you think Porsche says that? No? Hmm.

Compete with on the track or in performance numbers has little to do with 'competition' in the marketplace. When a manufacturer only sells 25 cars, they do not figure very prominently with you getting worried about selling your 5000 cars. They are not a viable alternative to your customers because there are no where near enough of them to go around to pull your customers away from you.

Stereotypes are exactly what they make their decisions on. They poll a small segment of their market and stereotype it out to the rest. If you wish to pretend that the person who buys a Saleen S7 (as his only supercar) is the same as the person who buys an Enzo, Carrera GT or Murcie, that is your own prerogative to ignore reality.

Read your own sentence quite a few times and see if you can figure out why you most defintely do not state the facts. If you can’t do it, read on.

Park a McLaren F1, or a Mercedes 300SL, or a Carrera GT, or a 959, or a Murcie, or a Ford GT, or a *goes on for a while* in a parking lot two spaces down from an 308 (bear in mind you said anything Ferrari produces, and hence my statement) and compare the crowd size.

Yes I do doubt.

Who cares? What does a single headline have anything to say about ‘most attention?” the F430 is the most recently produced out of your selection. Perhaps if you gave it more thought the likely reason may have occurred to you.

Why do you insist on using your assumptions as facts?

I’m quite certain BMW has made statements in regards to Aston Martin. As far as Bentley is concerned… this is BMW Six, not a BMW Rolls Royce.

As far as Lamborghini. Go read their company history. Lamborghini’s only target is Ferrari. It’s their reason for existing.

Grabbing a few headlines where they decided to compare a particular car to Ferrari rather than Porsche, Aston, Lamborghini etc… does not make up for the vast amount of headlines where such comparisons were made.

 

the cayman handles better, has a stiffer chassis and is lighter than the 911..mid vs rear engine design....with the same engine, a cayman will blow a 911 out of the water...but porsche will not drop the 911 until the market tell it to.....and right now the 911s sell for full list price with waiting lists, almost a year after its introduction.....

 

havae you driven a 911s,...very fast, 0-60 in the low 4s.....and the gt3 is an amazing track and street car...very very fast.....and thats not even mentioning the turbos....and the flat 6 has a great fast reving nature that is hard to duplicate in a v8....it is doubt full porsche will use a v8 in the 911...also space is limited and it would have be small v8....

 

If this is what you meant, than state that next time when most everyone participating in this thread knows they can.

Follow the money trail. Porsche remains one of the most competitive and successful auto manufacturers, however, you can bet they will build Cayman's before a CGT replacement if it makes them more money. The Cayenne is the perfect example of this when gas prices are skyrocketing and the SUV market is already saturated. Simply put, they were not motivated by competition to join the SUV market.

Who is taking who literally now? Aureus said they are starting to expand their model line up to include non-sports cars. True. Aureus also said he bet there are theories being discussed in the Porsche marketing engine about how to position themselves as a builder of sport vehicles to push these new models. Likely true.

Less than other manufacturers, as Aureus implied. Jaguar has competed in Le Mans, Trans Am (where they are destroying the competition), and F1 within the last 15 years. How about Porsche?

I disagree. To some, it could be more significant when the manufacturer fields the cars than the privateers that purchased them. I made sure to bold words as appropriate so there is no misunderstanding.

Every car that Pagani finishes most definitely competes against the volume manufacturers, a rare time when Ferrari and Lamborghini could be called such a thing. However, what they are competing for are sales. In this regard, no they can't compete.

The feeling is mutual.

You have absolutely no qualifications to make this statement about what a person should or shouldn't do in response to you, or anyone else. Perhaps in the future, you should take a reading comprehension course if you're unable to decipher what others are saying.

Sunny

 

Who are you, Aureus' boyfriend?

Dismissed.......


Forza,

Cavallini

 

Its not meant to, if thats what you were thinking...

Its simply a boxster coupe... and this is where Porsche make their moeny, because the Cayman will have 4 different engines, on top of Porsche's exclusive options.

2.7 (base boxster engine)
3.2 (obvious boxsterS engine)
3.4 (prefacelifted retuned 996)
3.6 (facelift 996 engine)

At least thats what I read...


- anyhow, Porsche could never replace the 911.

 

well, a flat-8....

The Caymen was made for the same reason the Gallardo was....
Not really necessary, but a fun idea. Porsche only really need the 911 and Boxster to survive. But them being the business they are, the Cayenne has made them loads of profit and this Caymen could do the same, aimed at those M3 customers. But then again, it may not sell as well as I think because it is very overpriced, and you may get a 997 base once you get the highest trim of the Caymen. So, because of pricing, the Caymen may not do that well...but we never know.

 

you are very misinformed.....

How can they replace the 911 when the 997 just came out this yr??? The Caymen is something totally different.

read above ^

 

What an uninspiring reply. You sunk my battle ship!

Sunny

 

The 911 is an icon. However, I do think Porsche needs to differnate the two lines alittle more. They are more similar. I was expecting the Cayman to have a longer rear like the Boxster. I just fear that Porsche will tarnish the brand by going downmarket, though the brand doesn't sell any new model below the $45k mark. Does the "Porsche look" help or hinder the brand, or does it need to diverse its styling more in the new models?

 

I'm probably off on this one, but didnt Horacio Pagani get Fangio to help him with the Zonda? I think I read that in an EVO magazine a while back.

 

Yes, he did, that's why he named it Zonda which was Fangio's name, or something like that. Don't quote me on this one.

But my point about that interview was that Wyclef Jean said "racing heritage" like Paganis had been racing at LeMans for twenty years or something.

I could be totally wrong but I doubt it.


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Cavallini