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  1. Turb0flat4

    Turb0flat4 Formula 3

    Mar 7, 2004
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    There are no grounds for a lawsuit. This guy is just being a typical litigious dumbf0k. I would advice him to go boil his head, then take that ticket stub and go watch a nice Champ car race for free.
     
  2. MPD47

    MPD47 Rookie

    Jan 31, 2004
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    #27 MPD47, Jun 21, 2005
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    As for that class action lawsuit, it's flawed, page 10, #52 reads:

    It may not have lived up to everyone standards but they sure has hell conducted the USGP, just short a few cars. Eh, worse things have happened.

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  3. ddn

    ddn Rookie

    Jun 1, 2004
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    I think they should be identified and charged if possible. That said, the response was absolutely civil. At my college, the University of Minnesota, all it took was a few hundred drunk people to start a full-blown riot when we won the WHCA hockey championship. By all rights, the IMS should have been a war zone. Anywhere else in Europe, I assure you it would have been.

    As far as the lawsuit goes, there is no reason it is frivolous. Like it or not, they didn't deliver what was promised. The IMS is a victim, but will have to recover damages from their suppliers (FOM).

    Oh, and since when is F1 a show? This isn't NASCAR, or CART, its not an entertainment business. Like it or not, we, the fans, are just a side-effect of these guys going racing.
     
  4. tuttebenne

    tuttebenne F1 Rookie

    Mar 26, 2003
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    Remember that CART or NASCAR are jokes everywhere else in the world. Bernie got rich on the TV rights to F1 and those rights are the "god" that everyone is bowing to. Yes, its a show. If you were at Indy you are forgiven for not hearing the teams that were interviewed on SPEED referring to their job as being in the entertainment business or "we are here to put on a show"
     
  5. ddn

    ddn Rookie

    Jun 1, 2004
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    Thats why CART and NASCAR are a joke, they're like WWF wrestling. This is real development racing, we're just lucky to watch.
     
  6. dretceterini

    dretceterini F1 Veteran

    Apr 28, 2004
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    If this were real development racing, there would be NO rules as to number of cylinders and 1000 other things. There would only be basically three rules, maximum car dimensions as to height, length and width, only internal combusion engines, and maxiumum engine displacement...but no one can afford that. 9 times out 10, the richest team will win when unlimited development is allowed. At least in series with a lot of "spec" rules such as Nascar, there is some competition.
     
  7. WCH

    WCH F1 Veteran
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    Mar 16, 2003
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    "Development racing?" When I hear that, I think of the development series, such as Skippy or FBMW, not a non-spec series. Just never heard it used that way, live and learn.

    Anyway - IMO adding the US legal system to the mix of Bernie, Max, Michelin, et al does nothing at all to improve the situation and, in fact, only makes it vastly worse. Yet another chicken lawsuit created by the absence of a "loser pays" rule.
     
  8. Adrenln328

    Adrenln328 Formula Junior

    Sep 1, 2003
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    Some observations from one who was at the track the whole weekend:
    1)If anyone is going to institute a class action suit, I hope they can direct it to the right place. ( I hate to make lawyers any richer, but this may be one of the few places where a lawsuit might punish the appropriate organizations) The Michelin company & the teams that refused to race, even when presented with alternatives that would have worked, are the ones that should get the heat.
    It wasn't FIA, who only stood by the rules already in place.
    It wasn't the Indy Speedway, who were screwed, too.
    It wasn't Ferrari, who DID show up & DID race ( and who haven't whined about tire issues when it has been THEM at a disadvantage earlier this year)
    2) Yes, I was very irritated & disappointed to see people in adjacent stands to mine throwing things onto the track. VERY poor behavior.
    The fellow next to me came from a far corner of England to London, then to the US, took his vacation, spent a lot of money, and was a supporter of one of the Michelin teams. He was disgusted, but didn't throw anything at least.
    At first, people around us applauded the throwers, but that soon turned to booing the hooligans & everyone pointed out these idiots so that the track officials could come find them.
    I have no way of knowing whether they were Americans or folks from elsewhere in the world.
    3) It was astounding to see how full the stands were all the way to the end. I wish to applaud the Bridgestone runners, who did their jobs for us, and the majority of fans who stayed until it was all over.
     
  9. MPD47

    MPD47 Rookie

    Jan 31, 2004
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    They did though, they gave the public something to watch, a Race, which is what was to be delivered. It may not have had the maximum number of competitors, but they did give them a sanctioned race. Never once did I hear them specifically stating that to a guarantee would all 20 cars run 50+ laps on the circuit. Like it was stated during the race, this is only the second time in history that all the cars have finished, that started. So should every spectator from every F1 race from 1961 till now feel slighted, and sue for a refund? I think not.
     
  10. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    I read in the paper only 25% of the crowd were local....
    $25 for Friday and Saturday is almost free....
     
  11. 62 250 GTO

    62 250 GTO F1 Veteran

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    They are filing against the wrong group! HAHAHA!
     
  12. C4talyst

    C4talyst Karting

    May 28, 2005
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    Probably just some NASCAR fans who were drunk and showed up for the wrong race...
     
  13. DGS

    DGS Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    There ain't no setch animule as a "typical" USA F1 fan.

    Heck, my insurance agent had never heard of an Alfa Romeo. Most of my co-workers didn't know there was a "car race" this past weekend.

    The US legal system is ill equipped to delve into the morass of issues that surround this fiasco.

    For example: FIA in WRC has built, over the past few years, a history of smoothing the way for French manufacturers through the hoops they lay out for Japanese makers. BAR's three race bannishment when they were challenging the Renaults (at a time that FIA is trying to woo Renault back to WRC) had the appearance of that franco-centric view getting into F1, too. With some of the antedeluvian comments Bernie's been spouting, the notion that there may be chauvanistic (original definition) tendencies in FIA seems less far-fetched. Perhaps (french) Michelin felt that FIA wouldn't have any hesitation in shafting the (japanese) Bridgestone equipped cars.

    But even such a speculation is politically incorrect in the 'states -- there ain't no way a class action suit is going to explore those issues.

    Finding the blame? Or using a convoluted legal manipulation system to randomly assign blame?
     

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