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Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by racerx3317, Jul 6, 2005.

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  1. RocketBoy

    RocketBoy Formula 3

    Feb 13, 2004
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    Most retarded post ever...

    Man just give it up. Are the voices in your head too loud? Was MS responsible for letting Atlantis fall apart too?

    One post you suggest they ( tire teams, ) race and see what happens despite the fact it was Michelin teams that pulled out. Next post MS fails to acknowledge there is a safety issue. Excuse me, didn't you just post that all the Michelin teams pulled out for safety reasons? Lets race, no wait Michelin says there is a problem, but why doesn't MS void their decision and let them. MS is supposed to run up and down the paddock yelling, " Yes, judging by the actions of everyone else I also agree that there is safety issue," but pull Edouard Michelin out to say, " I ingore your decision, heck lets just try it."

    No matter the fact that EVERY SINGLE MICHELIN TEAM PULLED OUT, you need MS to state that he agrees? But since Michelin axed themself, MS should have done something to stop it? EVEN AFTER THEY SAID THEY HAD A SAFETY ISSUE? THEY SAID THEY HAD A SAFETY ISSUE BUT WHAT THE HECK, SCHUEY SHOULD HAVE ENCOURAGED THEM TO RACE?

    I think Bill's statement towards your post and conclusions is dead on. Please just move on. Do me a favor to justify the people of earth having some faith you are not the type of person who is using a hair dryer and lab top while sitting in the tub, just move on. Please give me some faith something upstairs in that noodle is on or at least hooked up to something that gives you a slight impulse of logical thinking. The voices and thoughts of MS destroying Atlantis do not count.

    RocketBoy

    PS: And to think they wanted to ban Imperial for being brand loyal to the car name that is the reason behind this website.
     
  2. CRG125

    CRG125 F1 Rookie

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    To All,

    Please due not take this the wrong way. I have no idea why I am even going to say this, but I just have get it out. This is how I see it.

    Michelen: The French

    FIA: The English

    Its just personal, has nothing to do with F1 politics or safety. This may be a retarded thing I said, but I just had to.
     
  3. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    Alonso is not a 7 time champ
     
  4. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    You have missed the point. No one is blaming MS nor is he or Ferrari at fault. Keep this in mind, i didn't make it up, you need to take offense with the other drivers. Case closed
     
  5. imperial83

    imperial83 F1 Rookie
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    But Michael did not put Alonso's life at risk!

    MICHELIN NEARLY KILLED ALONSO! MICHELIN NEARLY KILLED RALF!

    RALF and ALONSO should ask the FIA to ban Michelin! SAFETY FIRST! BAN MICHELIN!
     
  6. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    If Alonso had been allowed out there then he would have put everyones life at risk including Michael's. Michelin should be banned. why does everyoine seem to think i'm defending them

    PM me.
     
  7. beast

    beast F1 World Champ

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    honestly the entire Michlin affair is nothing but a political protest by michelin directed at the FIA. They used the USGP to stage the protest since the US has the smallest fan base per capita of any country hosting a GP.

    When Michlin did not bring a back up without good reason you could tell something was up as it locked all Michelin runners into the same tire choice some drivers styles would have prefered a harder or a softer compound tire.

    Next only Toyota had a failures, since no one else had issues it sounds like toyotas setup was to aggressive for the tires. Notice how no one has stated that Toyota could be at fault on this one.

    Then PD of Michelin want the rules changed, I.E. Chicane added, new tires flow in to show the FIA that Michelin does respect safety. After the FIA called Michelins bluff they decided they did not want to play (PROTEST)

    Something stinks in this deal worse than a frenchmen stinks on a hot summer day in Phx, AZ.
     
  8. Izza

    Izza Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    MS is correct here.

    Michelin recommended the tyres not be used on the current USGP circuit. It is their fault that another more suitable tyre was not brought to the race meeting.

    IF the teams had ignored Michelin's recommendations not to race and demanded their drivers race ONLY THEN should GPDA have become involved. It should/could have acted as any other trade union and demanded its members not be penalised for ignoring their employers' instructions on safety concerns.

    However, the teams were responsible and on safety grounds told their drivers not to compete. This meant that the GPDA had no issue - the drivers lives were not being asked to face excessive life threatening risks.
     
  9. RocketBoy

    RocketBoy Formula 3

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    The case is still open on your retarded posts in my mind...

    No one is blaming MS? But in the third post of this thread you write...

    " MS not giving it the attention it deserved because it's supposededly not his problem is unbecoming of a seven time world champ in my opinion. "

    No one is blaming Michael? I guess your opinion that he needs a more vocal presence in the affairs of rival tyre manufacturers is not valid considering the source it is from.

    RocketBoy
     
  10. classic308

    classic308 F1 Veteran

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    Pierre Dupasquier and other Michelin engineers were not fired after the USGP fiasco.
     
  11. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    This was what the drivers were feeling. It's supposed to be the grand prix drivers association, not the teams, or the tire companies, or the FIA's or anyone else's for that matter. From a strict safety point of view, leaving out all the other political BS that you guys are talking about, it is dangerous to EVERYONE to have any car out there with tire that may be faulty. The fact the MS simply pushed it aside as not my problem, is what i'm referring to. He's right not to get involved in all the other stuff but to dismiss something as a technical problem, when it could possibly be disasterous, and not see it as a safety issue is where the other driver's have a problem. Everyone seems to get caught up in the political aspect of the situation and not see any other issues. With MS's stature and backed the rest of the GPDA they could have ended the tire war and booted out Michelin or whoever. The GPDA will never work because of people's own self interests. That's what i'm talking about.
     

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