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Will Ferrari ever use a twin clutch system

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by tfazio, Jul 26, 2005.

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  1. tfazio

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    Will Ferrari ever use a twin clutch system similar to the DSG transmission that Audi and VW currently use? Or do you believe Ferrari will continue to use its current F1 system and just continue to make it better? The reason I ask is I know Porche is going to introduce a DSG type transmission soon. I have also read that BMW is going to drop its curent SMG transmission in favor of a dual clutch dsg-like transmission in the future.
     
  2. TomDial

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    The dual clutch system is a typical German VW project: Fat, useless, boring.
    It gives you the weight of two gearboxes on your car, so the gains you make by quick gearshifts are over compensated by the extra pounds you have to accelerate, corner and brake.
    A stupid idea to have a second gearbox and two clutches so you have two gears engaged at one time. Then you are able to switch between these two by releasing one and engaging the second clutch. Porsche had this system years ago and did not follow this idea. Then the marketing guys at Volkswagen recycled it. Next they will tell you it is great to have 7 clutches on a six speed box to reduce the need of any gear change at all.

    There are other, much better solutions out there, but no German patents on them.

    At the British BBC TV series "Top Gear" a slightly improved Jaguar E-Type convertible (this is a sixties car) had the same track time as a Audi TT 6 cylinder...


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  3. RussianM3_dude

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    Yes, but the E type was a supercar in it's day, while the TT is a poser mobile.
    And the E type was NOT slightly improved. Suspension, brakes and tyres were completly overhauled (basically replaced) plus more power and less weight then a TT.
     
  4. ryalex

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    built on a Beetle chassis.
     
  5. cglazows

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    The DSG system ads 66 pounds to the Audi A3 (only data I could find), all other things being equal...

    Curb weight (lbs.):
    DSG: 3329
    manual: 3263

    +/- 66 (1.9% of vehicle weight) pounds located low and near the center of a vehicle doesn't exactly constitute "fat"

    Porsche did use this system on their Le Man GT1 cars, and won...
     
  6. TomDial

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    The tests I read showed the identical car with a manual gearbox accelerated faster...

    It may be is a comfort extra, as the clutches can blend the two gears very soft, but what for?

    Porsche has won Le Mans so often, this victory might have be won even with this heavy gear box. Why don’t they put it in there cars today?

    Sure manual transmissions which are computer operated will rule the future, but not this system. Really, believe it, nothing that comes from VW will be of use in a real super car. If that was, we would still have wheels made of flint stone.

    Have you seen that Bugatti Veyron? That is what they think is a sports car in Wolfsburg…
     
  7. cglazows

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    actually the DSG is faster...

    how is softly blended if its faster than a Ferrari F1 (road version) box?

    They ARE putting it into their cars...

    It was develeped by PORSCHE, not VW.
     

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