Auto Motor und Sport, they tested a truly stock 550 against GT2, Murci, SL55 and Aston Vantage a few years ago. There must have been both some ECU and possibly engine "tweaks" to acieve the R&T result.
Hey you guys there is a road called Highway 51 that runs east out of Reno. Lets just all meet at the Bunny Ranch (not the real name) and we can have a lot of fun then go out and run the highway and have a different kind of fun. I'll bring my Hot Rod Dodge diesel and while I can't run faster that 132 I can tow you back to FoSF at a good clip.
Say whatever you want, you still haven't shown any solid evidence. Its up to you to prove me wrong, im not going to dig through it myself. I DID research it.. try showing some proof. Right now its your word against my evidence.. don't cry to me about it. Chill out.. jezus, talk about ants in your pants. What do you have to get angry about? If anything, I should be the angry one. EDIT: So if the 575M weighs 5,000lbs, it doesn't effect the top speed at all..?
Angry no, annoyed yes. "If you can show me proof that a 1998 550 M weighs more than a 575M on a credible web site or some form of evidence, i'll believe you" If you were in the same room and spoke to me like that, I'd give you a back hander. I WAS being nice... Read the secs on the Ferrari web site, download the manuals fromthe owners site. They ALL say the same thing. I posted the sources for you to check. Lastly weighing a REAL car in real life is not relevant??? You're an idiot. I forgot, you're a teenager, you know everything.
What if I were to tell you that I weighed both cars on corner weights, and found the 575 to be lighter? Huh? I have absolutely no evidence of this. How can you believe me? Yes, showing that you weighed them individually with equal modifications (I.E. - stock, or identical mods. with equal gas and cargo) on corner weights would suffice. But you have no proof. You can say all you want about weighing it being credible, and it is, but you have nothing to show for it. Its all your word. I might be a teenager, but I am acting more maturely than you are. Who's throwing insults here? Have I ever insulted you personally? No. Calling me an idiot, using sass, calling me a ricer, etc. That seems more like teen attitude to me. P.S. - Look at the question in my last statement. P.S. #2 - This isn't about weights anymore, I looked it up on Ferrari. Ferrari claims 3,729 for the 550, and 3815 for the 575. That is all you had to do. Look at Ferrari's specs, and give me a link. But no, you had to go off on this huge rant to try and make me look bad and use these unbacked statements like "I used corner weights, I know it weighs less." Where's the proof? On the reply to my post you said some sort of weight, but I had no idea if you pulled them outta your ass or off of a reliable website. In any case, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't jump on my back for asking questions if you haven't given me a solid answer. Lets not let this carry on anymore.. just answer my question, please.
This is its done in Nevada: http://www.silverstateclassic.com http://www.silverstateclassic.com/318-hwy-event-description.htm
It's crazy to see that everytime it's the same problem with teenagers. Enzos that break the 400 kmh barrier with 10 hp more, 575 that are faster than a 550 because they should be lighter etc. And we're stupid, act like kids, while of course, teens are so brilliant they don't even NEED to know the rules of physics. Wow. Now i'm impressed.
What's your theory? You seem to be so fluent in physics.. Its easy to shoot down an idea, but I don't see any of your own thoughts.
If you find yourself in a cat fight here, I recommend you re-think the attitude you are displaying in your posts. First, most Ferrari owners do NOT have time to go look up links for you... he gave you pointers where you could find reliable info... he has no responsibility to go dig up hard links. As you have seen, it was easy enough for you to find the info he referenced. Second, most Ferrari owners do NOT have time to teach you physics... it is NOT their responsibility to do so. So, please be careful with attitude or assertions that people are not answering you to your satisfaction. They gave you an answer, but you might have to wait until you take high school physics to understand the answer. Briefly, the mass of the car affects acceleration (a = F/m) and thus how quickly the car can get to top speed... but top speed is either limited by: 1) the horsepower delivering forward force balanced with aerodynamic drag resisting that forward force... as speed increases, so does drag... at some point, drag at a speed equals the maximum force with which the engine can pull the car forward... it will stop accelerating at that point... net F is zero... so, m is irrelevant in a=F/m (F is force from engine MINUS drag). 2) the rev limiter and the gearing and the size of the tires (the fastest the engine can turn multiplied by the gears turning the wheels multiplied by the diameter of the tires on those wheels) Neither depend upon mass. If its still not clear to you, print that out and take it to your high school physics teacher and ask them to explain.
Not if it manages to get this thread back on topic... as has been requested thru the "report" button.
I reported it, as I am tired of trolls on this board in general. This is a great Maranello thread, and some idiot who has never sat in one yet alone owned several like Darth, myself, Stephen, Dan,etc. needs to STFU. Thanks Brian, you were far more gracious to this imbecile than I would and will be. BAck to our build the cr6p out of a Maranello thread...school starts today.
Explain to me, how does owning a 550 explain the difference in top speed of the 575? Good job. You just made yourself look like every other snobby arrogant member in this forum. Hey, can anyone show me where it says "Ownership of Ferrari necessary for membership", or "FerrariOWNERSChat.com"? It doesn't. Anywhere. What cars I own and what my age is is of no importance to you. Thats just a convenient side excuse you use to rag on someone like me when you are bored. I thought this forum would be a place to discuss Ferrari's no matter if you owned one or not, no matter what your age, as long as you had an opened mind and a willingness to discuss. It seems I am the only one with the afore mentioned qualities. I'm not the reason for this board's recent "decline" its these so called "experienced" members. Grow up. A) Take my opinion, agree with it, disagree with it, whatever. But don't throw it away simply because I don't have a Ferrari. Thats pure ignorance. Im expecting some comment about how Im 15 and without a Ferrari/Maserati any second now..
My 575 with 21 gallons of gas (30 gallon tank) weighs in at exactly 3,932 lbs. It is a 6 speed. 'Running my old 550 to redline and keeping the pedal to the metal gives a very rough rev limiting effect at an indicated 7,700 RPM. This is in first or second gear. Running the 575 to redline gives a very smooth 7,800 - 7,900 RPM real limit. The best I could do on rough pavement and burning rubber in the first 3 gears was 0-60 in 4.5 and the quarter in 12.7, the traction control being off. I used VTech electronics. I do not know the top speed but the car pulled very hard up to 180 MPH where I let it off on the gas. Our Murcielago got a 0-60 dash in 4.2 with no wheel slippage as we have 4WD. The 1/4 was 12.5 and we were easy, purposely, on the clutch. The same day we ran the MB SL65 twin turbo 6.0 liter car at about 4.5 for a 0-60 with the traction control off and got a 4.0 with the traction control on, although the car felt slower with the traction control on. The 6,100 lb Maybach ran a 4.8 at 13.3, traction control off. All cars were run on the track with 2 people inside and at least a half tank of gas. aehaas
You ought to know ignorance. Reading a magazine about riding a bike is different than riding a bike. Start a different thread, this one is discussing ways to make Maranellos faster. WE don't have to explain anything to you. I don't know you and I only write this because you focked up several threads I was following. You live quite close to several of us here, and many of us would offer you rides, opportunities to learn. Not since you are such an arrogant little prick, however. Bye-bye troll Image Unavailable, Please Login
So.. you're telling me you've NEVER read a magazine to get information from a new model? All of the information you know about F40s, F50s, Enzos, 612s, etc. is from personal driving experience? 90% of the information you know about cars is ingested through text. If you don't agree to that, you are just making sh*t up. How am I the troll? Who here is shutting down new members without a chance? Am I not following the forum guidelines? Have I ever insulted you personally? Called you "an arrogant little prick"? (Sometimes, that doesn't seem like too bad of an idea) Would you prefer I just start calling names? Because it seems like that is what you would expect from a 15 year old. Point made. Back on topic..
Interesting thanks for that info. Do you think the 575 would achieve factory quoted 1/4 mile specs ( 12.2 / 12.3ish ? ) if you had 1 person and the least petrol possible ? That and a really good launch hehe same goes for the murci, gunning it! Cheers.
I am sure that in the appropriate hands and on appropriate turf the cars would all go much faster. Also I am running 20 and 30 wt. oils so a little more than the usual amount of power should be available. An Enzo was run but not timed. It clearly feels even faster, especially at the higher speeds where it pulls more than anything I have experienced before. aehaas
Ali, good to see you. I still have your oil threads saved. Airplane guys love 'em too. For our arrogant new friend...Directly off FNA website, past models. 550 Specifications Dimensions Overall length 179.3 in Overall width 76.18 in Maximum height 50.27 in Wheelbase 98.43 in Front track 64.25 in Rear track 62.44 in Kerb weight 3726 lb 575 Specifications Dimensions Overall length 179.13 in. Overall width 76.18 in. Height 50.27 in. Wheelbase 98.43 in. Front track 64.25 in. Rear track 62.44 in. Kerb weight 3,815 lbs There is more data there, but I'm tired of spoon feeding our new baby. Oh, and 3726#<3815#...I'm sure big numbers confuse you Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just to let you all know, the V-Tech's aren't very accurate. I have one, it's about .1-.2 off, and it usually adds a few mph. I have used them AND made many a visit to the local 1/4 mile track to verify. By the way, last summer there was a guy at E-Town in NJ with a 575M with the F1 and Tubis running 12.0/12.1/12.2 at over 117 mph. ALSO GIVE THE NEW GUY ATTUS A BREAK, I know him from another message board, he's NOT a troll. Take it easy....and please be adults, thanks.
I looked it up on Fast-Autos, and they claimed 3,815 for the 575, and 3916 for the 550. At the time, I had no idea the information was false. All I knew was that I had evidence to back my statement, and Stephen didn't..(not directly) but thats all behind us. Let's try to be civilized here..
Guess you better learn to check your facts with more than one source. Stephen can defend himself, but he DOES have facts, dyno runs, and cred. He didn't when he got here, he does now. I consider him a friend, as is Blu. You're very welcome, I'm now glad I looked it up for you, just to be told to be civilized. Next time you have a question: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Ferrari+Maranello+550+575+curb+weight&btnG=Search [image deleted, sorry, Brian C. Stradale] Wasn't cursing, just fed up. You deleted link too. I put it back. Skateboard boy thinks I derailed thread?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaarghhh again, and for x-th time, WEIGHT HAS NO INCIDENCE ON TOP SPEED IF YOU REACH IT AT REV-LIMITS... And we don't mind giving the younger guy a break, but it would just be so cool if we wouldn't have to repeat a point thousands of times, sure we could just ignore him instead, but then again, that's not the point of a forum ! However as AEHaas quotes, it seems the 575s' rev limiter is a bit higher than on the 550, that would explain the higher top-speed. Also from the data i found so far, it seems the 575 is not running out of breath approaching 300 kmh, as showed several 0-300 kmh runs. From my own experience, the car gets very slow from 280 on.
Hmm those times are v fast. I wonder how much difference the tubi's make over the 1/4. I have a video of an F50 running an 11.1 with tubi's.. but that seemed almost too fast to believe!
