Ok, I kiiled one of my cooling fans. Actually, a plastic bag did it, but I helped. The bag wrapped itself around the fan, jammed the motor, and toasted the fuse. I didn't see the bag, stuck a new fuse in, ran it some more, cooked another fuse, and then finally found the bag wrapped around the fan. Now, having checked voltage to the fan, from the switch, etc., I have determined that the fan is toast. Blade spins by hand, so the motor's not frozen, but no amount of voltage will make it go. Can it be rebuilt? Rewound? Whatever the heck you do to a motor to make it go again? Or, is it pretty much a stock item I can grab out of the Graingers catalog? Ferrari UK wants about $400 for a replacement, Superformance wants aroung $200, but theirs includes the fan. And, finally, how much stuff do I have to pull out to get the fan motor out? Doesn't look like it will just drop out if I unbolt it. Looks like the radiator has to come out, or at least I have to loosen it up and move it. To do that I have to take the spare tire bucket out, too. Dave
You are right the radiator does have to come out before the fan/s can be removed! I saw two fans from a Dino GT4 on UK e-bay a few weeks ago which looked exactly like those on the 246 and they went for about £50.00 with fans, perhaps i should have bid on them! Regards Graham
Absolutely true. Unfortunateyl, here on the East Coast, the roads are mined with stop signs, trafiic lights, and snarly congestion, so... GOTTA FIX THE FANS!!!
ummm... i just had my fans out of my Dino and my GTB. i did not remove either cars radiator. i also took out the non working a/c condeser from the GTb and moved the fans closer. new foam from home depot and the cars is great now. i dropped the front valance off the gtb, and took the blade off the dinos fan (only pulled one out on the dino) and it came right out of the grill hole. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
[took the blade off the dinos fan (only pulled one out on the dino) and it came right out of the grill hole.[/QUOTE] Carreaper, Did not have that luck as the fan blades were seized solid on the motor shafts on mine. My Dino has different blades also.
Carreaper, Did not have that luck as the fan blades were seized solid on the motor shafts on mine. My Dino has different blades also.[/QUOTE] yea, if the car doesnt sell soon, i will just keep them both and start tinkering. i want to yank those ugly side bumper extentions off and do some trim work when the rust bubbles get fixed. the front "valance" on the Dino sure is a wierd beast. i have not had it off yet, but it looks like it may be a fun challenge !
hmmm... makes sense. Loosen the motor, slide it back, then take off the fan blades, and the whole thing should slide out. That's this week's project. Thanks, Dave
there was a small cir-clip holding the fans to the shaft. on the new / used QV blades i bought, there was a small allen key set screw that is accessed through a small hole and it rests on the flat part of the fanblade shaft. ( edit , the old blades did not have this allen key . ) make sure you look at the shaft as it is "keyed" and will only go in one way. i put a "SMALL" dab of moly grease on my fanblade shafts ( no crude comments .. ) and the fanblades slid on. dont forget to tighten the allen key. have fun..... by the way, fold and old towel or t shirt and stuff in and around the a/c condenser ( if installed, i yanked mine out) and / or radiator. those buggers are RAZOR sharp in there and you will slice your knuckles to bits !
Thanks. figgur I'll stuff come cardboard in front of the radiator, between the fans and it. Should work. DM
HUH! The fans on my Dino are 3 blade aluminium castings and are fixed to the motor shaft with a slotted screw accessable through the fan boss and also nyloc nut (6mm i think) onto the end of the shaft, try as i might i could not get the blades off the shafts (after undoing the nylocs) until i had got them out of the car which meant removing the radiator, which by the way i wanted out anyway. I could not get motor and blade out as one without removing radiator. Am i missing something?
Modern fans are SO superior to the stuff from the early 70's as far as efficiency. You can get twice the cooling for half the juice. But a 246 is a real classic and staying C is truly a consideration. Maybe when you get the fan out you'll find the burn through is fixable? For $200 I'd definitely stay stock if cooling isn't an issue. Ken
Cooling is ALWAYS AN ISSUE in this car. I'd love to be able to trust that the fan motors won't quit. I'm headed out now to pull this one out. Then I'm going to spend some time in the grangers catalog looking for replacements. DM
my old 308 GTS ( sold) my 308GTB and my 308GT4 all have the newer QV fans and fan blades. they are much better at cooling than the old , original fans, and they look original to 99% of the folks out there. i dont know what the original fans on a Dino look like, so my post may not be of much help to you if you car is "THAT" original. best. michael NERODINO, your profile is blank, is your Dino a "real" 206/246 Dino as i call them , or a Dino , as in a 308GT4? sorry for the confusion. my cars are in my profile pic.
sorry i confused you yes it's a 246, i guess it is pretty much original and i guess cooling is not such an issue here in the UK (yet!) best, Graham
Got the freakin' thing out and guess what....... IT'S A STINKIN' BRITISH PART LUCAS 9GM 12V part # 784698 48 74 Now all I need is an approximate RPM on this bad boy, and I'm good to go hunting in the Graniger's catalog. DM
A lot of times it is just the motor brushes that wear out. If you are a little bit handy you could pull the motor check the motor brushes and if necessary replace them for very little money. May not have much to loose and you could keep your car original if that is important to you. The standard lucas brushes are readily available. Just a thought. I did this on my Boxer fans, which if I remember correctly are very similar the the Dino. Good luck, Drew Altemara
Drew. Pulled it apart. it's melted inside. Literally, gooey stuff everywhere. Gonna need a complete rebuild, the brushes were the onlyt thing that didn't look like they had been through WWIII Low RPM DC motor can't be that hard to find. DM
I had AC and there was little room to work. Was able to loosen motor, twist to get at blade setscrew, remove blade, get motor out. Never removed radiators. Went down to Pep Boys and got a replacement motor with almost same OD, a little shorter and almost the right shaft diameter. $35.00 (long time ago but still a reasonable price) Shaft length was fine. Flat was fine. 1/16" rolled sheet aluminum got motor OD right on. 0.015" rolled aluminum got shaft right on. Took 1/4" off length of fan blades so would clear chin opening a little better. Balanced fan. Put all back together and has been good for last 14 or so years. Same cooling, less current. Took out AC about 5 years ago and now have lots of room and even better cooling. Will probably add to "Dino Saga" series eventually with pictures. In the meantime, go fix the problem and worry about the genealogy of the parts later. John
A NOS Lucas cooling fan motor for an MGB just went by with no bids on Ebay for $50. It's item #7992266907. It looks the same as a Dino. I would check another of the sellers listings and send him a message about it if it looks OK to you. McCann has one for $395!!!!!!!
i would love to find out the year / part number as this would be great info to add to the 308 cross ref thread with all the part numbers! be nice to know that someone made one work !
Nope. Saw tha one too. I is enough different that it would be a very tough fit. gonna order them from superformance, after I talk with mike this morning. DM
0. Place thin cardboard against radiator to reduce chances of damaging hands beyond repair on very sharp radiator fins. 1. Disconnect the electrical to fan motor. 2. Pull the bolt off the fan strap. Careful, it's kind of spring loaded, retaining nut will fly across room. 3. Flatten the fan strap about 80% open. 4. Unscrew the front grill, slide it as far forward as the bumpers allow without removing it. 5. slide the motor into the space made by moving the grill 6. 11mm socket, hold the fan blade while removing nylock nut. 7. Gently slide screwdriver between fan blade and motor, pry fan blade loose. 8. Slide fan out through space under the grill between the fan supports. 9. rotate motor 90 degrees, squeeze it out through the same space. (Extremely tight fit.) 10. patch hands with as many band-aids as you have around the house. First one took an hour. Second one will take ten minutes. Then I took the motor apart, carefully, inspected the shot innards, and looked into ordering new ones. DM
Dennis has always been ultra pricey, but what bothered me more was that I could rarely get a hold of him by phone but this was the early 1990's in the pre-Internet days and I haven't tried him since. For $395 you could take the old one to a good auto electrical shop and pay the guy to repair that one or possibly source an identical replacement that might be modern, better performing, more reliable AND obtainable next time.
