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308 Idle lopes

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by dpospres, Sep 5, 2005.

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  1. dpospres

    dpospres Formula Junior

    Jun 29, 2005
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    I have an 85 308QV. Last night went on a 50 mile drive. I noticed that after the car warmed up (180 water, 210 Oil), the Idle would search up and down when I came to a stop (between 800 and 1400 or so). I also noticed that if I was holding constant speed when moving, the car would slightly speed up and slow down.....every 3 or 4 seconds. Any ideas???
     
  2. Dane

    Dane Formula 3
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    Apr 25, 2002
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    Dave,

    I am NOT a QV expert by any stretch of the imagination so take my opinion for what it's worth. In a 2V FI'd 308, it could be a possible brake booster vacuum leak. Take a look at this link. It may help.

    http://home.att.net/~ferrari/running2.htm

    Dane
     
  3. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    May 29, 2001
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    I believe the 1985 also has an O2 sensor...hunting idle can be a sign of a failing O2 sensor.
     
  4. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

    Jan 21, 2005
    3,354
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    Sounds like you need to adjust the idle - the question would be what's caused it to be a problem? Have you had anything done to the car lately?

    If not then the obvious thing to check would be whether you are running on all 8 cylinders - you may have dropped one. The most likely cause of that would be an ignition problem. A good place to check would be the front bank plug leads - especially the longest one supplying the cylinder on the right side of the car - these can sometimes come out of the securing clips, drop down onto the manifold & get a bit melted.

    Also have a look at your throttle body, work the mechanism my hand & make sure there's nothing obstructing the butterfly & that it's closing properly.

    If there's nothing obvious then I'd remove the spark plugs & see if you can see obvious signs of fouling anywhere.

    FWIW I recently overhauled the ignition on my 328 just by cleaning up the plugs, taking the caps, rotors & all the leads off, cleaning up the contact points in the caps & on the rotors, testing the leads, then trimming the ends & remounting them into the caps. The thing wasn't running that badly before - but it runs a lot better now!

    I.
     
  5. dpospres

    dpospres Formula Junior

    Jun 29, 2005
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    The car had the 30k engine out done 2,ooo miles ago. Oil change and R134 conversion last month. That's it. It only seems to do it when warm. There was also an odor from the exhaust....possibly rich?
     
  6. enjoythemusic

    enjoythemusic F1 World Champ

    Apr 20, 2002
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    Yes, i believe it could be due to running to rich. The 1985 308QV here was fine until the 60k service. They made it rich and yup, it was searching. Try leaning it out a touch and see what happens.
     
  7. dpospres

    dpospres Formula Junior

    Jun 29, 2005
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    I cleaned the throttle body and fuel metering unit. I also took off both distributor caps and rotors and cleaned them. One cap has a crack in it, but not all the way through (I will replace it anyway). I also discovered the air filter was quite dirty, so I ordered a K&N replacement. No obvios vacuum leaks (visual). Car seems to idle ok now, but it still surges slightly when under constant acceleration (holding speed steady). Almost feels like you are pressing the brake pedal slightly every couple seconds. I would think that if the O2 sensor were going bad, it would run consistantly bad. Idle and wide open are fine.
     
  8. pernicev

    pernicev Karting

    Jun 22, 2005
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    Not necessarily. A O2 sensor is a thermistor, that is to say it makes a low voltage electric signal from heat. When the car is cold, it will read approx 0.5v on the O2 output wire. Once the the O2 Sensor gets hot, it should range from near 0 volt to near 1 Volt. That is where it should be. If the sensor is defective, readings will vary slowly or not at all...most of the time, I have seen 0 on defective O2 sensors. Its an easy check... just touch a voltmeter's positive lead to to the O2 output wire, and ground the other lead.

    Other than the O2 sensor, I have seen this kind of problem on two other cars (non ferrari). I'm not sure if your QV has one, but this almost sounds like a dirty Airflow meter.

    Did you check for disconnected vacuum hoses or air leaks by spraying carb cleaner around the manifold? The carb clear will remove paint, so be careful.
     
  9. dpospres

    dpospres Formula Junior

    Jun 29, 2005
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    Update:
    I replaced the 02 sensor, and the surging seems to be gone. The car used to idle around 1000 rpm, and it dropped down to 600 or 700 now, so it stalls when I stop. I adjusted the idle back up to 1k, but I still get the odor, and idle isn't as smooth as I would expect. I noticed the flap in the air metering device is quite "dampened". Is that normal, or should it be perfectly free to move when I press on it?
     
  10. fmaderi

    fmaderi Formula Junior

    May 8, 2005
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    i would get the mixture checked with co/hc machine i can say why the mixture is off but an odor is not a good sign.good luck.
     
  11. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    I would check the TPS to see if it is adjusted right or is dirty/plugged. The engine will usually hunt whe the throttle position sensor in nor adjusted correctly. My 2C
     

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