How much over MSRP and wait times for F430

I hear if you shop hard you can get a coupe for 35-45k over MSRP.Depending on mileage and desirability of option's and color's.

 

Same, I heard $40k over for Coupes and $90k for spiders and all sold out thru the end of the run 4 years from now. Nice position to be in for anyones product.!

 

I took delivery of my new coupe at MSRP 8/17. I put a deposit down 3 years before. Our local dealer has long since sold out their expected allocation. You should know that dealers can sell only in their geographical area at MSRP. Cars sold over MSRP are technically used, even if they just have delivery miles, they have all been previously titled. However, if the aftermarket premiums drop to, say, 10K or less, then some speculators will drop out, opening up slots. I think most speculators are getting spiders, not coupes. Most of the coupes sold locally have not been flipped.

Dave

 

My guess is that there are a lot of people who intend to drive the car for free (or even a profit). Once the premium lowers, so pricing becomes closer to MSRP, there will be more people selling since they will want to jump out before losing any money.

 

50k extra for a spider is a bit crazy...why not get a coupe and for the extra 50k get a c6conv,boxster s, m3 conv.,elise,or used 911 cab....

 

because perfect non super cars are cool?

 

Got my F430 for MSRP -- took delivery 8/10 -- spec'd it out in April for July build. I was on the list for the 360 replacement long before I took delivery of my CS last September.

Looking forward to keeping the 430 until something new tickles my fancy. I fully expect this "volume produced" car to depreciate over time, but by far less than any of the other "limited production" so-called exotics on the market from Porsche, Lamborghini, Aston Martin.... you name the brand. IMHO, any premium paid will never be fully recouped, whether on a coupe or spider.

 

I'm on the list and have no intentions of keeping mine so if you're still interested down the road give me a call.

 

ILuv4Res Quote:
Originally Posted by hardtop
Most of the coupes sold locally have not been flipped.
Dave



My guess is that there are a lot of people who intend to drive the car for free (or even a profit). Once the premium lowers, so pricing becomes closer to MSRP, there will be more people selling since they will want to jump out before losing any money.


Actually, I think there will be fewer sellers as owners driving the cars will not want to give them up unless the price is right. I freely admit I would not have bought one if I thought it would depreciate like a stone (aka Porsches). However, it would take a LOT of money to wrench the wheel from my fingers. Coupe buyers in particular will tend to keep them. Most flippers are buying spiders. They could bail like rats of a sinking ship, but I doubt it.

Dave

 

Coupes can be bought in the $230's now.

 

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Sorry , that does not mean much. A $230K Coupe could be nearly $50K more than a basic car (6sp) with very little options or it could be less than $10K over a fully optioned F1 car. I think when a 430 over-sticker price is mentioned, MSRP should always be mentioned as well.

 

Jack(LA). "...some 'so called supercars' like the Lambo..."?....!!! Hahahaha... Please, just because there is a collective insanity regarding the prices of mass produced cars like the 360 and 430, you are blinded to the fact that the Gallardo is one of the best cars built, and the present 'soft' pricing just means that you can get a fantastic 'so called supercar' for about 100K less than a 430. No matter how you cut it, I would happily sit next to a 430 in a Gallardo at the traffic light and smile when I think of that extra 100K in the bank. Regardless of any question of depreciation, I am still waaaaayyyyyyy ahead. Before you or others 'flame' me, I have owned 9 Ferraris, including an F40. Every one of them was a great car (well...except the 348!), and the Gallardo I owned most of last year was at least if not better than all of them (other than the F40...!). I particularly don't get the hype over the 430, considering it's questionable looks and obvious massive production numbers. Lamborghini is slowly but surely going to rival the 'desirability' of Ferrari within a few years. I have owned a Murcielago and Gallardo over the past two years, and I enjoyed them more than any of the Ferraris (...except the F40...!). Can't understand why so many of we Ferrari enthusiasts don't see the 430 'hype' for what it is. A crash in values is surely coming. Buy a Gallardo.

 

when i was at the ferrari-maserati racing day at lime rock park up in connecticut with a ferrari club, there were 2 430s on display by ferrari and the spider (rosso corsa, f1, daytona seats) was exactly $238,268.00. i would show you a pic but iPhoto wont let me resize it. sorry

 

There are 4 of them in the current issue of Autoweek 2 of them are 05-F1 Coupes listed at 258K and 259K. I suspect both of those numbers are negotiable.

 

they are all over, if you want one you can have one, the fact is there are plenty of people willing to drop the extra cash to have the new hot ferrari, so with that in mind, dealerships of any kind would be crazy to not take advantage.

unless you take an MSRP delivery through a dealership, the only thing you can do is sit back and wait, in Monterey Silicon Valley Auto Group had 430 Coupes for $255k, just a few weeks later they can be found in the $230's for some of them, granted they may have marked them up a bit more for the show, but the prices are on a downward trend. only the preferred customers got the list spots, and these people put money down before they even knew what the 430 looked like, i would guess most did it knowing full well they could flip the car easily and make a profit regardless of how it looked, for those who are not preferred customers, the only option is second hand.

the real question is when and where will they stop, it won't drop below MSRP, but where do you think it will be by January 06, I predicted just over 200k in another thread and some people thought that was comical, but it looks like it may be possible.

i really think most owners are going to flip them for a quick buck, i seriously doubt many will keep theirs for an extended amount of time unless its part of a collection or it was their dream car, which is possible. i personally think the 430 will hold it's value for many years, it will bottom out at some point above MSRP, i don't even have a guess for that value, but it will reach that point eventually and hold, the fact that they are producing so many 430's will prevent it from really gaining any long term value, but it definitely wont lose much, again, in my opinion.

 

Casino,

No disrespect meant toward Lambos. They are truly exotics and great bargains, as you correctly pointed out. After having driven both current Lambo models, they weren't for me notwithstanding their "previously owned" bargain prices. For me, time is too short to chase car bargains -- I'd rather maximize my car pleasures (within my comfort zone) in the present.

As for Ferrari's, I'm a relative newcomer -- I've always been a Porsche owner, going back to my first new 1978 911SC. The first F-car that really felt solid and offered me that thrilling driving experience was the 360 which I rented in early 2000. After that fun 2 day driving experience, I had to own one. I've enjoyed both my 360 and CS -- a much more fun/sensory overload driving experience than either of my most recent Porsche "special' offerings (GT2 and GT3). As for the hype on the 430, I don't get it either -- it's just another Ferrari with that great driving feel and that works for me. I must tell you, however, it's a vast improvement over the 360 (including the CS) when it comes to that seemingly most unimportant of traits (tongue in cheek) -- driving experience. (I apologize for using the words 'driving experience' so much.) It's truly an awesome car -- those who haven't had the chance to drive one can't appreciate what I'm saying. Just my 2 cents and I'm sure worth less to many.

As for the F430 looks, those who don't like its appearance shouldn't buy one. That won't hurt my (or Ferrari's, I'm sure) feelings.
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As a former Porsche enthusiast I could not agree more. Once I experienced the Ferrari, Porsche just seemed like meatloaf. As for the Gallardo I agree it is an excellent performing car. But honestly, something about its size and appearance give it a less than super exotic aura. It just does not project a supercar image. It looks almost like a comic book caricature.

I guess that is why dealers are begging for customers to unload them.

 

thank you, very well said....each person has something different that turns them on in a sports car...no one is right or wrong, just different tastes...the lambo murci and gallardo are very different from a 360 or a 430....to each is own, there isno right or wrong answer..but one should not comprimise with an exotic purchase just to chase a bargain...if you want a bargain, buy a wrx.....

 

PLEASE TELL ME THOSE DONUTS ARE YOURS!

 

nberry. I can't let part of your post go without comment. You say that ' honestly, something about its size and appearance give it a less than super exotic aura. It just does not project a supercar image. It looks almost like a comic book caricature'....?? Uh, I have been a Ferrari fan and owner for almost 20 years, but to say that the Gallardo 'does not project a supercar image', when nearly every objective observer says that the one indisputable thing ABOUT Lamborghini's is their undoubted 'supercar' looks tells me that you have been drinking the 'Ferrari Kool-aid' a little bit toooooo long. Say what you like about Lambo's or the Gallardo in particular. No one can accuse it of looking anything BUT exotic.

 

^^^ You are right, if the Gallardo doesn't have the "look", then no one can say the F430 or 360 do. Ferraris are great, but not more exotic looking than Lamborghinis. The Ferrari supercars are in a different ball game, so I don't count those in. Please lets keep it real and don't flame me, I'm on the f430 list.

 

I have to agree that the L cars are far more exotic than the recent blue-collar Ferraris (360/430). Part of the L cars' exoticism comes from being rare and unfamiliar. SoCal is practically crawling with 360s these days and I doubt the average person can differentiate between a 430 and a 360. They're just far too common to be exotic, at least in these parts!

(As further evidence, I came across many "real" people who thought that my 360 was the latest Mustang... )

 

Anyone who thinks a 360 is a Mustang knows absolutely nothing about cars, so their car opinions frankly don't matter. I think a Gallardo looks more "exotic" than a 360, and that is one of the things I don't like about it...too outrageous for my taste.

Gary

 

Agreed. Moreover, car-flippers do not normally heavily spec-out their cars with many options. Usually, neither the flipper nor the flippee see value in carbon fiber racing seats, the carbon-ceramic brake upgrade, stichings in color, or special-order leather quilting (yes, quilting, like the cars of the 60's) for the headliner and rear wall, all of which are in my F430 and helped create an MSRP of $209,810.00. The guy who buys my car when I sell it is either going to be a "car nut" because he cannot find another car like mine, or because he cannot get on the waiting list for MSRP, or both. In either event, that sale/purchase is not going to be soon.