I hear rumblins of the coming f430CS

Two years away, if ever -- hardly a sure thing. That is what I've been told by reliable sources.

 

why would you want a CS type car with traction control?

the one thing the Ford GT sure got right was no damn computers

doody.

 

It will be quite awhile before they introduce a CS. The factory is being taxed to the maximum now and Ferrari is negotiating with the unions to allow weekend work/car production.

A 430 CS would not be a major undertaking by Ferrari because they have a template in the 360CS. Add some aerodynamic features, pull out carpeting, a couple of suspension tweaks, carbon brakes and finally increase the hp to 525 and viola you have it. No R&D involved.

 

nberry, you got it right !
Doody, I gather if you own one, you must put a ton of miles on it and spend many weekends on the track, that's what I would associate your comment with. For the rest of us who would ever hardly drive the CS like it is meant to, TC is a good thing.

 

I assume Ben is talking about is e-diff, since both the CS and the F430 have traction control (ASR) which can be turned off.

Doody, the e-diff is truly amazing -- allowing you to slide and have lots of fun controlling your car. Its intervention is virtually undetectable (much like Porsche's latest nanny, PASM). But real men would rather crash than have some electronic wizardry save their bacon.

 

I don't believe it has anything to do with wanting to crash your car. I think there is a great satisfaction of being able to control a car at its limit without the intervention of a computer. It's one of the great things about going to a track. Doesn't matter if its a Ferrari or a $5000 Miata set up for autocross.

 

Yeah, but.........

When you have cars approaching 500HP they are great when you have them pointed straight and much less fun modulating the power through street corners when the tires simply cannot supply the grip. On the track, getting the car to rotate in the corners using power can be faster and a hoot. On the street I’ll gladly keep the ASR on to reduce the cockpit drama. Just one dog’s opinion.

 

Don't get me wrong . ASR has it's place. My AMG has it and it works fine. But.. Not being able to completely disable it ,does take some fun out of driving the car.

 

When it does arrive the F430CS could very well match the F50 performance levels.

 

I would bet the vast majority if not all people on this forum will get to their own limits before reaching the CS's limits. That is precisely why Ferrari is happy to include TC.

 

I doubt we will see one any time soon. The 360CS time around Ferrari's track was faster than the 360 by 3 seconds. If the f430CS is faster than the 430 by 3 seconds, you'll have a car thats faster than an Enzo. Ferrari will not produce a "production" ferrari thats faster than its current supercar. Nor will Ferrari produce a 430CS that is marginally faster than a 430 just for marketing purposes. They dont need to.

 

Darrell,

You can disable ASR (Ferrari's computer controlled traction control) completely -- the CS has ASR and a regular limited slip differential. The F430 has ASR and the E-Diff -- another transfer of F1 technology.

According to Ferrari, this new feature, E-DIFF -- electronic differential, is the solution that..... "has been used for years in F1 single-seaters and has been continuously developed and refined, effectively transferring massive torque levels to the track under extremely high cornering g-forces. On the track, the E-Diff guarantees maximum grip out of bends, eliminating wheel spin. On the road it is a formidable technological refinement that improves roadholding."

"Torque is continuously distributed between the wheels via two sets of friction discs (one for each drive shaft) controlled by a hydraulic actuator. The amount of torque actually transmitted to the driven wheel depends on driving conditions (accelerator pedal angle, steering angle, yaw acceleration, individual wheel rotation speed) and brings considerable advantages in terms of performance, direction stability, active safety and handling feedback."

"For the driver, the E-Diff increases handling balance and grip (which noticeably improves acceleration), improves roadholding on the limit and also guarantees even better steering feel."

Knowledge is power.... and, in this case, an F1 technology transfer may even lead to better handling and more "fun driving your car".

 

Ferrari has made a habit of developing special models at the end of model runs since the 348SS and 512M. But each has been different. I'll bet the 430 gets a special package, but I would not bet on a CS. They may debut some technology that will appear on the next model.

Dave

 

most V8 Ferrari's of late have had a 5 year run. at the end of that run we have seen the Serie Speciale, Fiorano and most recently the Challenge Stradale. the end of the run for the F430 will most likely be 2009, since it was introduced in 2004. which of course means we will see some sort of specialty version in 2008. and if history repeats itself, there are no promises that Ferrari would repeat itself! so, maybe or maybe not to seeing another street track car....after all the Fiorano edition was a convertible!

 

Exactly. And it will be at the end of the model run. It always is. Two reasons: One is to create a buzz. Second is to step up the price so people get used to a new higher priced model.

And like you pointed out...all have been different. The 430 will not be called a CS I bet a hundred bucks. When have they ever repeated a name for a special edition?

So the first 360 was a 99...and the CS was 2004. The first 430 is a 2005, so figure what...by 2009?

 

Responce to JACK(LA)
Thanks for the info. I was of the understanding the ASR was not able to be completely turned off. Good to see Ferrari has not gone the way of many other manufactures by not letting you turn it off. It's one thing I love about my 355, getting a little sideways. Ya it may not be the fastest way around a track, but it sure is fun sometimes.
Darrell

 

CS or equivalent is a sure thing before the end of the 430 series.It will not match Enzo but may match F50.

 

WOW quite prophetic for sure.

The new 430CS is said to have 520HP and pretty much the same stuff you said

 

The word is that a special 430 will be built but it will not be 430CS. Sorry I can't share the new nomenclature. The only bad thing is if it makes it to the states it will not be the car that Ferrari had in mind. No Race Seats, new OBD rules, more weight, bla, bla , bla.

 

I find myself agreeing with Doody on the traction control. If you can't handle the horsepower, maybe you shouldn't have it. You wouldn't want a pilot that could only fly a plane on autopilot. Safetynets are probably a good thing for the most part, I just don't think sportscars need them.

 

I don't know if you saw this article. According to this article, FNA has admitted there is something in the works.

http://www.u-ka.cn/en/02/101472.html

Good thing I'm already in line!

 

don't believe rubbery performace figures , or what's written in text . and they can make a 430 CS , charge over the top , and sell everyone of them

 

with e-diff , you can still get the car sideways and have fun . the e-diff will only come into play if you take the car too far in it's grip threashold , in other words , when the car senses the driver HAS NO IDEA !!!!