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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by SoftwareDrone, Oct 4, 2005.

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  1. ylshih

    ylshih Shogun Assassin
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    Mar 21, 2004
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    Yin
    Do you know if the dealership owns the car or if it is on consignment? If the latter, perhaps the actual owner has put restrictions on them.
     
  2. BigAl

    BigAl F1 Veteran

    Mar 17, 2002
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    I'm with Bruce, Doody and Darth on this one....doesn't feel right.
     
  3. Kevallino

    Kevallino Formula 3

    Feb 10, 2004
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    Frankly it sounds like dealer BS to me - what about when you get a loaner car while your car is in service etc.? They would still own that car too so the liability story sounds like a crock.

    Standard operating procedure in exotic world is an independent PPI. Let them deliver the car on their nickel if they don't want you to drive it but personally I would shop elsewhere - sounds too hard already and if you are after a 360 there are a sh!tload of them.

    Cheers
    Kevin
     
  4. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
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    Jan 19, 2004
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    >>>Hey, just giving you a little nudge. I just think it'd be more fun to be >>>driving

    Tell me about it! I dream of driving one at night, but go through the frustration of the research by day. I am glad I am at the point where I know exactly what I want now. The end is near (I hope!) :)

    I called another dealership nearby (who sells used Ferraris) and explained the situation to them. They said it was rediculous. They said anyone buying a used Ferrari from them is more than welcome to take it somewhere to get a PPI done on it. He also mentioned that it was hard money for the miles (126.5K for an 18K mile 360) and that I should keep looking. And this car is _not_ in pristine condition.
     
  5. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    You can easily do the PPI at the selling dealership.

    Have "your" mechanic go there and do the PPI in their shop. You'll have to pay for his travel time...but nonetheless it should satify both parties. It's the easiest solution IMHO.

    I cannot see any logical reason whatsoever why this would not be doable....unless as Brian has subtley suggested.....there are other issues...either political or personal....that come into play.
     
  6. BeachBum

    BeachBum Formula 3

    Mike, ignore SrfCity, after reading his posts in the political section, its clear hes someone with a tenative grasp on reality

    as far as the 360 is conserned, if they give you any hassle id walk, as someone else said, theres a alot of 360s out there for sale right now, i have no dout youll save a bundle by buying from a privet party
     
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    Cowboy Capitol of the World
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    The indians there and I get along great. The shop foreman got into the Ferrari business when I hired him to work for me as service manager at another dealership 17 or 18 years ago. The management and I are another matter. Every time I show up it costs them a pile of money. Their customers keep coming to me as an expert witness to sue them. Just the same I just don't have time. I'm in the process of screwing the heads back on a 360 motor that was the subject of a legal matter against them a while ago and I am on a short deadline to get the car done.
     
  8. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
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    Jan 19, 2004
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    I keep hearing that there are a lot of 360's for sale out there, but in my ignorance, I just can't see it. Not 6-speeds in my price range anyway.
    I search on ferrariusa.com, dupont, FML. Any other places I could check?
    I am precisely looking for:
    >=2000/red/tan/power standard seats/shields/6-speed
    I can always add the grill and exhaust.

    I only have 130K to spend.

    Thank you everyone.
    :)
     
  9. capt.zach

    capt.zach Rookie

    Mar 14, 2005
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    I have a 2004 pozzi blue 6sp for $150k if that helps.PM or call (910)443-9192 or check out Ferrari ads,thanks.
     
  10. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    And, you've got a "tentative" grasp on spelling. I'll make sure I ignore you :)
     
  11. nberry

    nberry Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
    714
    If the dealership reluctance is due to WHO will do the inspection, then I have a problem with the dealership. However that does not necessarily make the car a bad car.
     
  12. SROC4

    SROC4 Formula 3

    Mar 16, 2005
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    Mike,

    I was supposed to buy that car. Not to make you feel bad or anything, but this post makes me feel thankful I did not buy it in the end.

    I wish you luck on whatever you end up with. It would be nice to see another 3 pedal 360 running around here...

    Alex
     
  13. sad11

    sad11 Karting

    Jun 25, 2004
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    11709.1 California Vehicle Code

    Notice to Public:
    Inspection Of Vehicle
    "The prospective purchaser of a vehicle may, at his or her own expense and with the APPROVAL of the dealer, have the vehicle inspected by an independent third party either on or off the premises."

    So it is up to them if they want to let you take it. Believe me I am not sticking up for those 2 clowns over there. They are jerk-offs in my opinion, but that is another story. Trust me if you are getting this much heat now, what happens if you require their assistance down the line.

    (this post was edited for grammar, not any content...I "ain't" scared...I fixed the post above for errors but then used the word ain't..very funny I am..I did it again!)

    -A
     
  14. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
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    Jan 19, 2004
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    Well I recieved a message from the salesman stating that I could get the car flatbedded to the independent shop - at my expense.
    I'm just starting to get a sour feeling about the entire situation.
    It's getting to be that time of year when exotic car prices start dropping. Perhaps I should just be patient a little while longer.
     
  15. BeachBum

    BeachBum Formula 3

    130K for a 360 six speed! you may have to travel a bit to find the right car, but id venture to say, you should have no trouble finding a 360, remember always get a PPI

    you might start by running a wanted ad on FC, also check with Martin at Cavallino motors, a FC sponcor, never heard anything but good things about him

    capt zack, youve got my dream car, if i wasnt moving into the beach house id be ringing you, everything rusts there, even in the garage
     
  16. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
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    Well I'm just having troubles with the 126.5K with 18K miles when a 360 with 10K miles just sold at the Los Gatos dealership for 120K. I could see it if this car was in pristine condition, but there is a dent right in the middle of the front bumper (which badly needs repainting in the first place), I personally don't like the seats, the airboxes had to be replaced as one of them was bashed in (how does that happen?) and the paint needs to be touched up from front to back. I mean, you tell me; does it sound like a good deal?
     
  17. SROC4

    SROC4 Formula 3

    Mar 16, 2005
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    Mike,

    I think you should look elsewhere...I am sure you will find a better one for the price.

    Alex
     
  18. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    From your now more complete description, no.

    You did not need Bob and I to tell you that.

    Take a little more time and find the right car, time is on you side and there are a lot of cars out there.
     
  19. nberry

    nberry Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
    714
    I could not agree more. Keep looking.:)
     
  20. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Eight Time F1 World Champ
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    Apr 28, 2003
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    May I suggest an alternative here?

    This is what I did --

    1. Pay the dealer to do the standardized FNA Certified Pre-Owned check that is required for the extended warranty. Because this check ties directly into the warranty (i.e., FNA doesn't want to warrant pre-existing conditions), it is a real inspection. I forget how much I paid, maybe about $400.

    2. Once done, use the findings to negotiate the repairs into the price. For example, in my case, the dash leather was pealing back. So I got the dealer to fix it at cost.

    3. If you end up making a deal for the car, I'd go ahead and buy the FNA extended warranty. I don't know what the current cost is, but odds are you'll spend that much money anyway. Every time I have taken my car to the shop, I end up at least $1,000 lighter. You need to keep in mind that Ferraris are expensive. Sad, but true. If you are on a tight budget, you may want to look elsewhere. One of the key Ferrari facts of life is that you have to pay to play. <Heavy sigh>

    Finally, I don't blame the dealership for not wanting to let the car out of the shop. Recall the F-40 that was stolen recently?

    I also don't blame the dealership for not wanting somebody else to open up the car for a PPI. I'm not knocking the really great independent Ferrari techs out there (Like the Rifleman!). But I think that you can understand a dealer being uncomfortable about letting just any dewhead put a wrench on the car. I know that if I had a car at consignment at a dealer that I'd be really upset if they let the car out for a PPI without my knowledge or consent.

    Just a thought, Dale
     
  21. BigAl

    BigAl F1 Veteran

    Mar 17, 2002
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    ..and that blind retired Army LTC that took that Mondial out for a spin!
     
  22. Chiaroman

    Chiaroman Formula 3
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    Apr 21, 2004
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    Something fishy going on here.

    You can give them an answer in one...two...or three words.
     
  23. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
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    I do not know about your state, but in Georgia there is no so called "cooling off period" for an auto purchase. In any event, have yourmechanic to the PPI at the dealership.
     
  24. Dave

    Dave F1 Rookie

    Apr 15, 2001
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    There are plenty of other cars for sale.
     
  25. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    Dale, in the words of another Texan "That dog don't hunt". Everyone in that dealer knows me very well. Hell I have had more interviews there than the Supremes have Justices from those Bozos offering me jobs of one kind or another. If in fact it is a consigned car all they have to do is say so.
     

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