Everyone PLEASE read this! I need your help!

What does Euro Motorsport have to say about this? Fchatters want to know.

 

the only thing he says is - its not his problem!

 

I have a rule of thumb dealing with people both in my business and personally: If they are willing to screw someone else, they are willing to screw you, too. There are some people I actually kinda like that I would never trust, and vice versa. Have to use your head in every situation.

Dave

 

Nice attitude. I was going to check on his cars when i was going to be in Florida in January, but with that kind of customer service I DON'T THINK SO!

 

Name of the game

 

thanks chris! and that is exactly what I am trying to achieve by posting by site! I have over 2700 hits already in a little over 24 hours of being up!!!

 

I've done quite a bit of business with Phil,
he's been no problem to deal with for me, a nice, good guy. No problems. no lies. Sends me way too much spam, but a good guy.

 

I would have never given a 75% deposit (strike 1), skipped the PPI (strike 2) or agreed to pay more than the original price (strike 3). You had sucker written all over you and they rode to the Nth degree. It never surprises me when I hear there are dealers like this out there, what suprises me is people fall for it. I personally avoid any cars that have passed through Florida at anytime, if Florida is listed on the Carfax I keep moving. The Auto Toy Store has had its share of legal incidents.

 

So if a car ever was in Florida it is not any good??? Gee, I thought I took very good care of my car. Sounds like I have the double strike being in Florida AND driving a 348. Where is the love? I may never be able to sell the car!

BT

 

what the hell is it with FL?

 

ferrarigtofan,

invariably there are lessons learned from bad experience but kicking the guy when he is down isn't really helpful at this juncture. in general, many people tend to have trusting tendency (myself included) perhaps to our own detriments.

yellowmurcie,

you ask "i need your help". other than alerting us of this dealer's biz conduct for which we are thankful, what can we do here to further advance your cause?

 

I would also recogmend you making a complaint to th FTC in Washington, DC. That may help put some extra weight on them when you contact a lawyer.

 

If we were talking about a HS dropout purchasing a Kia for $1800, I would not expect much from the buyer. In this particular case, the buyer is spending $200,000 cash on an automobile. I suppose I expect more sophistocation from a person spending 100x the money on a car. If you have earned and saved $200,000 you are willing to use to purchase an automobile, I would hope you have earned several million dollars in pre-tax income. The only way to earn the amounts of money we are speaking of are being very successful in business, or being some sort of entertainer/sports person. If you fall into the first category, then you have had bad business dealings and should be more cautious IMO.

Let's put this in perspective, if I go out today and put an offer on a home of $500,000, I would leave the realtor a check for $1,000 to show good faith. If my offer was accepted, I would have a week to do a PPI (home inspection), after which a contract would be written and I would be expected to front 10% of the asking price to make the home "under contract". Why would I ignore these well established business customs when the purchase is for a vehicle, that costs more than many people's homes sold for?

When I purchased my Ferrari I gave the dealer my credit card number over the phone and authorized him to charge $500 on it to hold the car for me. We both knew a credit card transactions sans signature was not binding, we just did not speak of this fact. After my PPI, I gave a 20% deposit to get the paperwork going, and to have the the issues the PPI disclosed, resolved and for the final polish/prep. My credit card was never charged any amount and I paid the final 80% in a certified check. My readings and dealings with other exotic cars through life have taught me the way things are done in an automobile purchase.

It is unfortunate the author of this thread was taken advantage of, but you have remember caveat emptor. I would propose that having your attorney handle the transaction would cost you $2,000 (1% of the transaction) and shield you from 99.99% of the problems experienced here. If you are unsure of how to handle a transaction of this size, pay someone to help you (your attorney). I agree the dealer seems like a scumbag, but he only screws the people that allow it to happen to themselves. The only positive you can walk away with here is a lesson learned, and the expensive ones you remember and tend to not repeat.

 

thanks but I meant I wanted to alert everyone - i have gotten a ton of support on this - i have learned my lesson - the web is amazing - almost 5000 hits in 3 days!!!!

 

Even though his profile page says otherwise, our very own Martin is not slimey [sic], but a trustworthy Ferrari-only dealer based in Florida.

 

EDIT: i'm not going to cast detailed aspersions since i just don't know all the details of the FL legal system and process as it relates to automobile dealers.

suffice it to say that i've bought a bunch of cars over the last ten years or so, not one from a FL dealer, and when i'm looking for my next car, i'll just skip FL dealers again.

doody.

 

Martin has gray market skeletons. I've never met a dealer, used or new, who was porblem free.

 

I'm sorry to ask, and mean no disrespect to you, but since you only have 4 posts so far I have to ask: Do you have specifics about the negative position you posted about Martin? I have known him for about a year now through the local F-car club here in S. Florida, and from my perspective, he is a stand-up guy. He has a good reputation that I am sure he worked hard to earn, so if you think otherwise, please back it up before posting something like that.

 

So how are the laws in FL written to help crooks? How is ripping someone off better there than in, say, California?

 

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Nice bridge! What are you asking for it? Where would I get a ppi on this? James

 

If that thing is in FL, you can keep it.

 

A great reason to fill out your profile. We don't know you live there!

 

"[...] Florida, for decades the destination of land developers, exiled
criminals and con artists of every stripe, who have found the warm
climate, long coastline and ready abundance of the rich, the gullible,
and the elderly a dream combination for the establishment of
Depredation Central." - Niranjan Ramakrishnan