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  1. patpong

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    Wow, gorgeous.... I'll order one.
     
  2. GTE

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    downsides:
    -yet another 250 SWB
    -not my scale

    upsides:
    -beautiful model
    -reasonably priced
    -the 250 SWB is not just any Ferrari

    If they do a competition version, or a yellow or a silver one, I might just have to get me one.

    I hope to do something less predictable next time, like a:
    400 Superamerica
    250 GT TdF
    330 GTC
    365 GT 2+2
    500 Superfast
     
  3. tifosi12

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    Modulo
     
  4. SefacHotRodder

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    Another SWB? If you include 1/43'ds, thats still not many swb's made. This is the 2nd in 1/18 scale. The first was by eagles race and the quality was bad.
     
  5. Perfusion

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    ...a 275 GTB/4 would be a killer from CMC as well...
     
  6. tifosi12

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    Scratching my head again (literally...): AFAIK I have that model already at home as well from Jouef. So what gives?
     
  7. GTE

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    And Jouef. It's just that the SWB is another 'usual suspect' in Ferrari-modelling.
     
  8. SefacHotRodder

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    Jouef? You mean in 1/43. I wasn't aware that Jouef made them in 1/18. I thought Eagles Race was somehow related to Joeuf.

    "Usual Suspect"? As opposed to the 250 GTO?
     
  9. tifosi12

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    #34 tifosi12, Oct 27, 2005
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    Ok, sorry for all the confusion, I said I'm not that familiar with the vintage cars. Anyhow, just checked my collection and now I can straighten a few things out, that I mixed up before:

    - Hot Wheels offers the 250 GT Lusso, which is a very different car from the 250 GT SWB.
    - However Jouef offered at some point the 250 GT SWB (see pic below). That's why I'm mildly complaining that the same car is offered yet again.
    - The 275 GT4 is already available, or was I should say. I got my two examples off ebay and modded one into a N.A.R.T. Spyder (or something kinda like it).

    It is nice to see a better version coming out of a model that already exists and quite frankly Jouef have become so hard to find, that I see these CMC models more of a continuation.

    However I have to whine about the fact, that so many great Ferraris have not been turned into models. Here is the silly model of the one and only Ferrari that sits right at my PC because I love it so much and would love to see it in 1/18: Modulo
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  10. ItalianHorses

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    Jouef, HW, Eagle Race, or whatever don't even come close to detail and quality of CMC. No single Ferrari model in 1/18 scale was ever as detailed as CMC SWB, believe me.
     
  11. GTE

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    No, as opposed to 400 Superamerica, 500 Superfast, 330 GTC etc. etc.

    There´s so much more to vintage Ferrari than a 250 SWB, 275 GTB/4 and 250 GTO.
     
  12. Martin308GTB

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    Hello,

    this discussion is weird, because everyone should be aware, that the producer of such an expensive modelcar has to watch over market response.

    Therefore he will produce a mainstream item and think about what is a typical and most beautiful vintage Ferrari.
    So I think CMC's choice of beginning - I assume and hope - a Ferrari range with the 250 SWB is a good idea.

    Andreas, I think your arguments are a matter of personal priorities. While you are looking for any model, which represents a car in any way as part of a big collection, CMC's 250 is a piece of precision artwork, and it would be even a pity being hidden among a huge bunch of cheap die-casts.

    With a highend and a low cost version of every car, the model car market would be served optimal, because everyone can choose between a cheap example for a big collection or an expensive 'state of the art' example, which stands out of all others.

    Talking about me; I have the Jouef 250 SWB, purchased 12 years ago for $ 12,--. I will purchase the CMC example now and give the Jouef car the 6 years old son of a friend.
    I could offer it on ebay but why bother.

    Best Regards from Germany

    Martin
     
  13. tifosi12

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    Not really a weird thing IMHO: I think it is quite helpful to any manufacturer to get feedback from a focus group like the fans of Ferraris in a collectable forum. Market research doesn't get much better than this.

    And in that regard I'm happy that they get to see that not everybody shares the same opinion, which is "Hallelujah another 250 GT SWB!".

    Having said this, I don't exclude that I might actually buy the CMC 250 SWB simply because it will be so much better than what I have from Jouef. So you're not reading me correctly if you think I only expand horizontally and not vertically.

    My point is the same as others (GTE for example): The Ferrari market is a lot bigger than the usual suspects. And quite frankly from a marketing perspective I don't understand CMC. There are so many Ferraris and variations of them, that I in their position would have gone for a smaller niche of the market where I'm protected from competition by Jouef. As somebody mentioned, why not make at least a racing version of the SWB?

    I realize I'm probably the only one who would be interested in the Modulo, but there are many mainstream/popular/famous Ferraris out there that have not yet come out in 1/18.
     
  14. GTE

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    Of course you´re right, but it just strikes me as a bit odd that the market for high end miniatures of the less obvious Ferrari´s, seems to be solely in 1:43, allthough 1:18 takes up a big chunk of the miniature market. But if you´re into high end miniatures of lesser known types, 1:18 is just not available. Not taking into account Conti´s and the more expensive Brianza´s.

    This CMC model dives into the niche between Conti´s/Brianza´s and Hotwheels, and I hope they have the commercial succes with allows them to go further on this path and perhaps gives them the commercial freedom to explore the less obvious Ferrari´s, such as the ones mentioned.
     
  15. ferrariguy

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    Well,

    I just talked to my diecast dealer in Toronto. A couple of days ago he had in his hands CMC's prototype. e said it was absolutely spectacular. The only thing that disappointed him was the interior which was plastic. Now, remember this is a prototype.

    He's going back to the distributor next week to take lots of pics and it does look like the car will be released this year.

    More details later....

    Lawrence
     
  16. bigodino

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    Eagle was Universal Hobbies was Jouef so effectively there was only one 1:18 SWB model available so far (not counting specialist models).

    You are right about the difference in quality. That said I hope I'm wrong but when I look at the pictures of the CMC SWB I see a lot of bad quality for such an expensive model. Notably the chrome (doortrim, grill) looks way too thick. I hope it will look better in the flesh and that I'm corrected.

    Ciao, Peter

    p.s. for this kind of money the market isn't that big so why not produce some more obscure models like Tifosi12 mentioned. I also prefer for example a TdF over a SWB simply because it hasn't been done before. The market size for either the SWB or TdF seems the same to me.
     
  17. baggiolee

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    Ya...most of the interiors of the model are covered with leather.
     
  18. GTE

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    As with the real cars, I suspect there is a market out there in which people will pay topdollar for exclusive 1:18 miniatures.

    They do it for 1:43. The only reason they don´t for 1:18, is because there is no 1:18 offered in this range.
     
  19. baggiolee

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    Now I noticed that too...Hmm..but i believe not every models are like that. Maybe because of the QC problem. That's why i prefer to buy models in my local shop when you can feel and examine all parts carefully.
     
  20. baggiolee

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    Oh i don't wish to even compare them. But I think the recent HW F430 has a great improvement compare to their older models. HW's Ferrari models are always the not-so-cheap budgeted models...CMC models are luxury models that provides furious details even the exoto has difficulty in competing.
     
  21. Perfusion

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    I clearly see all of the points Andres (and others) have made for producing something other than the SWB. However, I can't help but think this -

    As far as I know, this is CMC's first forray into Ferrari miniatures. When they did their first Maserati, it was the Fangio 250F. That car will be followed by the Tipo "Birdcage." I have no idea how many other companies have produced 1:18 250Fs and Birdcages, but it seems as though CMC is trying to make a statement with their first in each marque - "*THIS* is the car to have for your collection."

    That said, I think the 250SWB is an excellent way for CMC to get their foot in the door of the Ferrari 1:18 market. It is a beautiful car with a timeless shape that will command being purchased by the tifosi and non-tifosi alike.

    CMC's ultimate goal, in my opinion, is to get the loyal collectors of their Mercedes miniatures to take notice of these little red competitors, and to get those of us who are already diehard Ferraristi to see just what we've been missing by overlooking their 1:18 offerings in silver.

    Hey - at least they didn't make the GTO or Enzo their first offering.......
     
  22. tbakowsky

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    I have a CMC model and it is just a beautiful piece. i had it in my display case along side the UT. AutoArts, and Kyosho's. I had to take it out and display it on it's own. This model is in display case with its own lighting in the family room..its that nice of a model. i get comments about it all the time. I have to remove it from the main display case because it made the others look bad!!

    I going to get this SWB no doubt about it. i think CMC is going to be the mainstay of my collection for here on out. I'll wwait the extra time and pay the extra dough to get a fine quality model that I can display and use as a piece of art.
     
  23. tifosi12

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    Ok, I think I finally figured out how to resolve the dilemma of having already a Jouef SWB and getting the CMC one: Do with the Jouef what happens to real Ferraris that aren't that fresh anymore: Go racing!

    I think I'll get the CMC one and mod my existing Jouef into the racing version. So a couple of questions for you guys:

    a) Where can I get the CMC model eventually?
    b) What are the differences between the SWB and its racing version?
    c) Was there ever a racing SWB in silver and if so, does anybody have pics of it? I hope there was, otherwise I'll have to disassemble the model entirely and do a respray.

    PS: I'm still planning on putting the CMC model right next to the "cheap" die casts. I'm such a pig. :)
     
  24. Martin308GTB

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    it's not out there yet. But I think to watch over ebay is a good idea for at least finding out when it will be in the shops.

    not much visible from the outside, except for instance the lack of bumpers
    Yes, for instance a car which competed in the '61 Tour de France
    I have pictures in books, but found no picture of the real car on the www.
    At least I have found a picture of a slot car which Carrera will release later this year. See:

    http://www.carrerashop.ch/carrera/product_info.php?products_id=487

    Best Regards

    Martin
     
  25. tifosi12

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