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what did Enzo say to piss off Lamborghini?

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  1. YellowMurci

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    What was the exact story - what did Enzo say to piss off Mr. Lambo that got the company started? I heard 3 versions already
     
  2. de993

    de993 Formula Junior

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    I can't find the exact quote, but it was something to the effect of...you stick to making tractors and I'll make cars
     
  3. Malfoy

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    Something to do with "you aren't worthy of my cars" and "the chicken came before the egg". It was the latter part that sent Lamboman over the edge.
     
  4. Webby

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    Haha looks like the current replies aren't helping matters :)
     
  5. YellowMurci

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    You noticed to huh?
     
  6. seymour

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    Here is THE quote

    and i quote:

    "You know how to drive a tractor, but you will never learn to drive a Ferrari!"
     
  7. YellowMurci

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    I thought he was complaining about the design of a clutch or a part that broke on his own ferrari and when he compalined to enzo he said " if you can build a better car go and do it"
     
  8. YellowMurci

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    Ferruccio Lamborghini was a self made millionaire, he made a fortune by building tractors from army surplus left by the Allied Forces back in 1945. He started this business from a small garage but soon was able to move to larger buildings because demand for his very powerfull tractors rose.
    He also started manufactoring oil burners and airconditioning systems after his tractor plant started making lots of money, it turned out his second business also made big money so Ferruccio Lamborghini became one the wealthiest men in Italy. He could afford just about everything he wanted, including high speed GT cars like the Mercedes SL300 and Ferrari he owned alongside the Jaguar he liked very much.
    But his Ferrari started giving problems with the clutch, the local workshop couldn't fix this problem so Ferruccio decided to drive to Modena and confront Enzo Ferrari himself.
    But Enzo, who was known for his arrogance, told this 'farmer' to take a walk, Ferruccio was furious and at that moment decided to show Enzo how he should build GT cars.
    Of course this is a legend, and the thruth about it could be a little different, it was obvious that Ferruccio had lots of money to spare and the GT car market was still open for new things, money could still be made by building high speed, well finished cars, so it is more likely this persuaded Lamborghini to start his own company.
     
  9. YellowMurci

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    and like Lamborghini that was created by a wealthy individual who was tired of being mistreated by Enzo Ferrari, and said, "To hell with you! Who needs you? I'll build my own." And that resulted in some very interesting European cars,
     
  10. FL 355

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    Harry - that's pretty close to all the accounts I have read.

    It was over the clutch to begin with. The poor quality of the clutch and the poor customer service given to him after the sale.

    When he went to the factory he had to sit and wait a very long time in Enzo's office which got him steaming. To add insult to injury, Enzo would not see him and had one of his PR people meet with him. That's all she wrote.....
     
  11. Dan Ciezniewzky

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    wow, things dont change much do they ;)
     
  12. 400SPYDER

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    When we went to the Lambo factory the guide confirmed that the meeting between Enzo and Ferruccio Lamborghini was as a result of clutch problems on Ferruccio's Ferrari. As far as I can remember the quote above is the most accurate.
     
  13. FL 355

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    I don’t think anyone knows for sure..

    According to “Lamborghini The Legend”
    Legend has it he tried to complain to Enzo Ferrari personally – as an industrialist of similar status – but was spurned, and that was the point we he decided to build a better car...”

    According to “Lamborghini Forty Years”
    Legend has it, as a local industrialist, he was dissatisfied with the Ferraris he purchased because he felt the aftersales and service was not up to standard. Ferruccio also criticized Ferrari’s product range as essentially track cars that were, as road cars, too noisy and intractable. He believed the cabins lacked the build quality that a customer had the right to expect.
    Legend, never denied by Ferruccio, has it that he sought a meeting with Enzo Ferrari to discuss his dissatisfaction – businessman to businessman, with a shared interest in the region’s commercial development. Ferruccio had no direct response and a phone call from someone in Enzo’s officewas interpreted as a snub by Ferruccio who then convinced himself there was a market for a sports car that would appeal to people like himself – wealthy and demanding the best.
    If Enzo Ferrari was not prepared to listen to this, reasoned Ferruccio, he might build such a car himself.
     
  14. crazy-enzo

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    i've heard that he was not satisfied whit his Ferrari and had problems so enzo said that he could beter continue building tractors than car's
     
  15. FL 355

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    It's all part of the legend and mystic of the car . . . . .
     
  16. neilmac

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    The way I heard it, when Mr. L angrily announced he was going to go off and build his own car, Mr. F apparently laughed and said 'una trattore gran turismo!'

    (A grand touring tractor)

    Neil
     
  17. wax

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    Enzo said to Lambo, "hey uomo, senta l'odore di mio barretta" just as Ellen, aka Bride of Tractorstein aka Testa d'Oro was walking (albeit, barely) out the very bedroom Enzo'd just left.

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    Actually, corroborated several times over:

    Ferruccio met Enzo at a party

    Tractorman told Ferrari there were some design aspects he didn't necessarily agree with.

    "If you don't like the way I build my cars, why don't you go build one in that tractor factory of yours."

    (Incidentally, after the them fightin' words, the spurned one did put Alfa twin cams in a Ferrari engine & snared Bizzarini... )
     
  18. whart

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    The way i heard it, they met in a restaurant lavatory, standing in front of a line of urinals. Enzo did not recognize Sr. F. Lamborghini. Lamborghini spotted Enzo, though, turned to him and said, "Hey, you know, thata car i hava a yours. It's a not so good. It leaka the oil, it a don't start alla the time, and things, they fall offa it."
    Enzo turned to Sr. Lamborghini, and said, in a torrent of Italian, something along the lines of:

    "Scusilo voi bastardo ungrateful, io non hanno alcun'idea che siate, ma state orinando sul mio piedino."

    Which, roughly translated means: "I think you are an ungrateful bastard, and do you know you are pissing all over my leg?"

    Through the mists of time, and awkward repetition, the story has been transformed into Enzo 'pissing off' Lamborghini. But as often happens in the case of history, the truth is quite the opposite. :)
     
  19. ghost

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    Moral of the story: always better to be pissed off, then pissed on!
     
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  21. FL 355

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    LOL

    Bill you get my vote for the post of the month.

    Interesting how ego and temper can motivate people in business.

    Not to different from when Lee Iacocca left Ford with revenge...
     
  22. ernie

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    What's even more ironic is that this wasn't the first time Enzo pissed someone off. After he pissed of ol Henry Ford, Henry handed Enzo his ass at LeMans.
     
  23. 6.0 se

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    Very true. And Ford decided recently to hand it to them again.....in a different way. The GT, lower priced, quicker and faster in all aspects, and more exotic to view.(subjective of course).
     
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  25. YellowMurci

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    Lets get a Oujia Board and ask him!
     

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