Mega Thread: The 430 Replacement (F450, F500, etc)

What if Ferrari was making a car between F430 - F600/612. So it would be like F430 - F4** - F600/612 ? could that be possible?

 

It might be the other way, they could be making room for a new line below the 430. If they are serious about a new entry level Ferrari "Dino", then they could move the 4.3L V8 (maybe slightly better than Maserati tune, which is about 390HP and already proven cost-effective in a $100K car) to the entry level at $150-175K. The mid-range replacement now gets a V-10 at 500-550 HP and costs $225-275K. Then the 2 and 4-seat GT stay with a V-12 but at 600+HP and costs $300K+.

 

If you skip buying the F430 why would the dealer give you early delivery on the replacement.If you do not get early delivery it could be five years before getting the replacement to the F430.

 

Right. Back of the line for you.......

 

agree. keep waiting. life's too short. get one now so u can be in line for future cars, otherwise u'll never be able to get it when it comes out, or paying a huge markup.

 

Let's all remember, this is pure speculation, but speculation can be entertaining. There was a V10 rumor for the 430 also, though we didn't hear it as often as the Maser rumor.

From a business standpoint, it would be stupid to pull the plug on the 430 until it has had 5 years or more. They already have 5 years sold out in many markets. The more copies they make, the lower unit R&D cost is, and that is a huge part of the cost in exotics.

I think with F1 going to v8's, the only reason Ferrari might put a V10 in a road car would be under the scenario Ylshih puts forward...V8 "Dino" V10 mid size like 430's and continue the V12 line. Looking under the hood of my 430, it is easier to visualize a larger V8 rather than a V10, because front to back space is at a premium. In their literature, Ferrari says they went to chain drive on the cams to reduce the overall length of the motor. I think 430's will always have the 4.3, but I would bet they come up with a more potent one before production ends.

Dave

 

"From a business standpoint, it would be stupid to pull the plug on the 430 until it has had 5 years or more. They already have 5 years sold out in many markets. The more copies they make, the lower unit R&D cost is, and that is a huge part of the cost in exotics. "

Your right, all other things being equal and they can sell all they make (do you really believe the 5 year sold out story?) Remember competition. The Galiardo has a V10, more shp and has already sold 3000 in less than 2 years. There are and will be a lot more great 500-600shp exotics to choose from and Ferrari better not fall behind. The typical 5 year or so Ferrari model cycle may have to be shortened.

Probably will get the 430 when it comes, to maintain standing.

 

Of course NOT. Ferrari is not expecting to have a lot of customers that are willing to buy cars that will change in a couple of years. That's of course assuming they bought at the initial production year.

I am one of the people who would not buy a Ferrari if it only lasts 2 or 3 years. Especially that in Europe these cars would lose 40% of their value by the end of the production cycle. So for me, that I don't like buying cars in their first production year, I will have to only stay with the car for two years?
Nope.

 

Ordinarily I would agree with your point except that many Gallardo buyers are frustrated would be 430 buyers. The Gallardo actually lists for more, is not as good in any way and depreciates like a stone. Other than that, they are wonderful. If the exotic market were to slow down, who do you think would be hit worse? And yes, I know for a fact that many dealers, if not all dealers in the US have sold out their expected 5 year allocations. Some, including ours, are taking deposits on the replacement. V8 Ferraris never had the most power in the market, it is the complete package that sells, along with the history and mystique.

Dave

 

Dave that is so well put.

 

My thoughts exactly, I am almost positive this is what is going to happen. Hey Yin are you sure you didnt "borrow" my idea

 

LOL! I don't recall reading it. So it must be that "great minds, think alike" thing

 

HAHA thats hilarious, when I read your post I thought to myself "hmm this sounds really familiar I must have read it somewhere before" than I did a search of my own posts and found I had read it before, AFTER I posted it!!

 

Ferrari went to the maserati block bc it could be chain driven and also bc it could be expanded, its good for 4.6 liters, there is at least one more car in this motor....i.e. "450" "460" etc. The V10 was used in F1 bc it was basically mandated, its not really a great engine balance wise from what i hear, and theres no reason to use it, I would think a V12 would come before a V10 as the front engine cars become more GT.

 

i have heard with the current 430 block , they can get 600 + hp out of it . plenty of punch left to satisfy the 430 replacement . but my info could be wrong

 

What about the 512M? A two year run and now the most highly priced of the TR series. You could also include the 288, F40, F50, Barchetta, Super America, all short run cars.

The 430 could be like the 512M couldn't it? The investment wasn't that much, they already had most of the engine (Maserati) and the main body structure (360).

 

The 512M was a last hurrah after a ten year run. Sales were sucky for TR's at the time so they made something special to top them off. They made the 348 SS to try to pump some life into the series before the spiders came out. The current super america signals the end of the 575's just as the barchetta ended the 550's, more or less. The others you mention were always intended to be short run, limited edition, cavier and champagne cars. The 430 is not. It is their bread and butter car. But I will bet there will be some special version of the 430 circa 2009.

Dave

 

512M is more or less the same case as the 575M. Just a modification to an existing car in order to compete in the market. Putting in mind that the Maranello is a 7 year run.

But your point about the limited edition cars is completely not valid. These cars were made to be limited and were known for that fact before they were even built.

Cutting/modifying the F430 now or even in 2 years is not what a wise management would do. You can't do that to the best selling car in the factory that is only expecting to have a life span of 5 years. It doesn't make any sense.

 

Any idea when Ferrari will be building a F430 replacement? I had a 360 Modena Coupe and have a deposit on a F430(I'm bored with this body style) if they don't stop importing them, But I would really like to see a all new body and alot more power for the F430 replacemant.

 

They have told the US government in their fight to get an exemption on airbag cutoffs that a new model is planned for late 2008. Would they lie to the US government? I can't answer.

Dave

 

Thanks for the Info, Hopefully you are right.

 

So I have 2 years to save up 200Gs...sounds like a plan.

 

my dealer has stated the same....that there is a rumored all new vehicle in 2008. which would mean a probable 2009 delivery for the US.

 

For a new model assuming you have no prior relationship with a dealership, you'll need to save up more than 200k

 

Or he has a lot more than 2 years to save them