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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by zsnnf, Jul 10, 2005.

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  1. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Pardon my intrusion here as I don't have an F40 but my situation is somewhat similar as I'm going through these issues with a pair of somewhat newer (1996) twin Weber/Marelli ECU's on my twin turbo Maserati Ghibli Open Cup car. I know that Motec in England did a coversion for another fellow that owned the same car as I do and they ended up making an adapter so that they could use the the same harness. It might be worth giving them a call. I'm not certain but I'd bet the ECU connector is the same?

    This car uses two sets of sensors (one for each bank) but it's not needed so they ended up just using one set.

    Someone mentioned an emulator and I assume their talking about an Eprom emulator that would allow you to program the system with out removing the chip (until you needed to burn a final map).

    Does anyone know anything about the system described on the website?

    http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://auto-tecno.com/Downloads.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dremap3000%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2003-47,GGLD:en

    At the moment I'm chained to a chip developer in Germany and I'm in New Jersey so it's a bit tuff.

    The Motec route sounds much more flexible but I'm concerned about starting from scratch on an engine that NO ONE knows anything about over here.

    Bob S.
     
  2. mrknowitallf40

    mrknowitallf40 Formula Junior

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    Call James at Norwoods. If they can do an F50, your car will be no problem.
     
  3. gareth t

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    ecu connectors are out there,,, they are 55way AMP connectors (i think,, mind is slipping from me) this is the way i would do it myself

    yes i was on about eprom emulation, but sorry i dont know anything about that program you posted! (red faced) but will look a little more into it

    gareth
     
  4. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    I just took one the ECUs out of my car to fit a PLX R-500 data logger to it and I made a note that the AMP connector on the harness reads 925380. It's 35 flat pins, 18 on top and17 on the bottom. Mine is a IAW04/3C box from 1995 so it's probably different.

    Bob S.
     
  5. gareth t

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    sorry i am wrong it isnt a 55 way amp,,, you are correct (red faced)
     
  6. amenasce

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    Rick, hows the rear wheels spinning problem going ? SI there any way to sort it out ? or is the only solution to gently press the throtle everytime ?

    Can you post the pic of your avatar please ?
     
  7. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    #132 zsnnf, Sep 5, 2005
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    I put on a fresh set of Michelins...... That should help.
    I am also looking for an LM wing.
    Here's the Picture. You can also find it in the So. Cal. section under Ricks effect on CC.

    Rick
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  8. amenasce

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    Thanks for the pic. I love those wheels ! What brand are they ?

    The LM wing will help the spinning wheels pb ? even at low speed ?
     
  9. Admiral Thrawn

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    The reality of a car with huge horsepower and torque and no traction control is that you will get wheelspin - there is nothing you can do about it. Improving mechanical grip by getting stickier, larger tyres, lengthening the lower gear ratios, and modulating the throttle and short shifting while driving can all help to improve the situation.

    A rear wing (spoiler) works by deflecting oncoming air, and so pushes the car (and hence tyres) into the ground, improving traction. This only works when there is enough airflow (i.e. speed) to make the wing effective. Off the line, a wing will have no effect.

    I don't know the specifics of an LM wing, but a Formula 1 car's rear wing shows significant effect from around 100km/h, depending on the downforce setting (e.g. high downforce Monaco setting versus low downforce Monza setting).
     
  10. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    All very true. Thanks. The LM wing has helped with wheel spin at freeway+ speeds.
     
  11. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Thats what i was thinking . Thks both of you for the answers .
     
  12. Bertocchi

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    I am about to put an F40 on our Dyno Dynamics four wheel drive Dyno. Our goal is to extract as much HP from the car without performing radical modifications.
    I have not seen any mention of coil over plugs ignition. The F40LM I worked on used these along with some specially made spark plugs. When I contacted Champion about the plugs I was told that they were hand made by their racing department. The COPs were Magnetti Marelli.
    After all the chatter has anyone remapped the stock ECUs with anything other than the Caribou chip?
     
  13. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    Rod At FAI 949 631-6373 built the chips for my car. He also makes the chips for Carabu.
    Are you useing the latest turbos or the original ones? I'm going to guess that you can get about 475 at the wheels with race gas.
     
  14. Bertocchi

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    Thanks for the information. I am trying to determine what has been done the car in its' past life. I am told the turbos are LM but they look too small to me.
    Tailpipes are black and sooty. I have checked the fuel rail pressures and they appear to be very high, (2.8 bar). However I do not know if the car has different injectors or ????
    You guys seem to be dialed in. Our goal is to make the car coser to an LM than an outright beast. I am also looking to improve water pump capacity.
     
  15. zsnnf

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    The term LM gets thrown around a lot. The original F40 turbos have been updated twice. The one's that are now available are 3rd generation. They feature improved impellers, bearings and larger I.D. on the inlet. If you buy LM turbos from Carabu, this is what you get. Nothing like a real LM turbo. This turbo has enough airflow to make 28PSI on our 3.4 litre at 3000 rpm.

    I'm sure that a real LM has a much more aggressive cam profile than stock. This is were the BEAST is going to come from. Most F40 "tuned" engines that increase the boost are rich to be safe. From my expierience, just good fuel is worth 35 RWHP. A tubi or comp tubi is good for another 30+ rwhp over stock.

    Good luck.
     
  16. Bertocchi

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    My last post should have read 2.8 bar is low. The factory repair manual quotes 3.0 bar and I have yet to perform the fuel delivery test. The car does have a Tubi, US wastegate, and an aftermarket boost controller.
    I have an extra set of stock cams and would like to have them reground. Do you know any cam specs?
     
  17. zsnnf

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    Rod at FAI had the cams ground. You can contact him at 949 631-6373
     

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