You know what they say about 'know it alls...' Reading between the lines of one of Roland's posts, it seems as that I should not have an opinion on this matter seeing as I do not own an F40 (hell, I don't own any Ferrari). I'll have my say regardless. Roland's car should be known as an F40 Modificato or some such similar description. I think the reason why this little controversy even emerged is because someone requested photos of an LM interior. People posted photos of Roland's car. Roland's car is not an LM. Rather inevitable that a debate would follow. If pictures of Roland's interior do not qualify as interior pics of an F40 LM, then it must not be an LM. Simple deductive reasoning.
I have a feeling that I am going to regret getting involved here; but you are just plain wrong with regard to Gil's car. Benny Caiola NEVER owned # 97881. Caiola owned # 84503 (a GTE EVO 2) and # 85015 (also a GTE). I believe the car that you are referring to is # 85015. This car looks like an LM for all intents and purposes; but it IS a GTE. I believe that it was the "demonstrator" car that was brought to the US to show potential customers. Caiola did have an off track excursion that required a new nose cone; but it was hardly the disaster that you describe. The car is for sale at Maranello Motorsport: http://www.maranellomotorsport.com.au/displayCar.asp?c=1 It is undergoing a cosmetic restoration and I have seen it up close as a chassis (see photo). The only evidence of the front "damage" is a small bend in the front nose cone support (since replaced). There is NO rear damage as you suggest. I can assure you that there is NOTHING wrong with this car. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Looks like you are wrong about Gil's car! Now about mine! I am glad you are smarter than Koni, becuase they custom valved the shocks for this car and along with Brembo's engineers set-up the suspension. (The shocks are new by the way and designed specifically for my F40) Funny, Roland has ridden and driven my F40, with no complaints! You keep bragging about all of your knowledge but where is your F40? I am sure it is the best F40 in the world with all of your LM pieces and your experience with race cars. Time to put up pics and serial numbers... I have only asked you to do that about 5 times! Now if you would like to come to KC and turn wrenchs, come on! If you can improve on KONI engineers, I would welcome your help! You know I have always respected your opinions in the past, if you see something the rest of us have not, I would love to see what changes you would make. I am serious, I respect what you are saying, I would love to open up my shop to you... Mine is just a simple street F40, nothing more! I am not claiming its anything other than that!
Did Ferari ever win Le Mans with the F40LM? If not, how close did they come? Thanks, Rick 92708 just another F40
Actually, there is evidence of damage/repairs at the rear. But not disastrous. And as for nothing wrong.... the car is untested mechanically, but assumed to be in good health.
Here you go my friend: 1995 Final Standings (Almost a Complete F1 GTR Lock) Pos. Car Team Drivers Km or Laps 1 Mac Laren F1 GTR N°59 Kokusaï Kaihatsu ... Dalmas, Lehto... 4055.8 2 Courage C34 N°13 Courage Compétiti... Wollek, Andretti... 4046.339 3 Mac Laren F1 GTR N°51 Mach One Racing Wallace, Bell... 4030.43 4 Mac Laren F1 GTR N°24 Gulf Racing Bellm, Sala... 3966.833 5 Mac Laren F1 GTR N°50 Giroix Racing Tea... Giroix, Grouillard... 3956.324 12 Ferrari F40 LM N°34 Pilot Aldix Racin... Ferté, Palau... 3681.213 18 Ferrari F40 GTE N°41 Ennea Monti, Mancini... 3232.396 1995 Retired F40's Ferrari F40 GTE N°40 Ennea Olofsson, Della No... 1996 (all f40's Retired) Ferrari F 40 GTE N°59 Ennea SRL Nappi, Ota ... Ferrari F 40 LM N°56 Michel Ferte Ferté, Leboissetie... Ferrari F 40 N°45 Ennea SRL Bernard, Gounon ... Ferrari F 40 N°44 Ennea SRL Olofsson, Rosenbla... Not a very good Le Mans showing, but what a damn fine car. Hope to see you again at CC, and hopefully get a nice slice of pizza. Cheers
What do you guys think about the 800 000$ asking price for the GTE ? A bit too much isnt it ?? LMs are cheaper no and are more valuable since they were factory cars ? 800k$ for a racing F40 with 0 History is crazy.
Dont bash the F40s that fast . They were pretty good in the BPR championship ( they won 2/3 races ) and dont forget they went up against much younger cars . I remember the good days of the BPR champ , seing the F40 GTE qualify in pole position was very cool .
Didn't mean to bash them they did ok in BPR... a few 1st, 2nds and 3rds. http://wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/bpr/nf_bpr_home.html
Don't F40LM's go back to 1991-2. According to books I have, Jean Alessi came second , twice in an F40LM (one if the GTC cars). AND.................... I've entered this thread as a person who actually ownes THE REAL THING. I stated that I don't have any real concerns as to roland and his F40. I have the attitute that it is an honour to own one of the 20. I regard myself as lucky. Roland is happy with what he has, and I'm certainly happy with my car. But, there is the history to all this, which is, 20 cars needed to be built by Michelotta, to be able to enter that particular model into Le Mans. Mine is one of 20 and Roland's is not. I don't really care what he calls it, but it doesn't have the history behind it and it's not one of the 20. What would we all say if.............."roland had a replica 1987 turbo F1 car". 7 were built, they were'nt all used. So if I had a spare 1987 F1 car (the real thing) and Roland had a look alike 1987 F1 car (of which I have seen pictures of a look alike, that exists) I wonder what the F-chat guys would say about that? And as for MrknowitallF40, he talks about "the rear clip"...................I admit, I don't know what he is talking about. All I know is the first 2 GTC's, went through a lot of research and development, wind tunnel testing etc. etc, to get to the final shape of most of the 20 cars. Research and delelopment is interesting as Roland's F40, wouldn't have much of that, compared with what Michelotta involves itself in. Goto www.f40.co.nz I spoke to this guy in New Zealand whilst I was there a couple of years back. Said he spent $400,000 nz dollars building that car. Also said he had never seen a real LM. I think he's done a great job, but it's not a real car. BUT he's happy as I'm sure Roland is.
I had a really good look at that car at MM and at the paint shop. I didn't see any evidence of repairs in the rear. "untested...but assumed to be in good health"- no wonder TR is so fond of you!
Can't say that I disagree with you. Despite a couple of recent sales for silly money, I can't see # 85015 being worth $800k US. I will be interested to see what happens with the LM that is coming up for auction.
The repairs are quite clear to see, and I told Joey to make sure it was taken care of at the paint shop, and it wasn't. It's relatively small damage, but if, for example, someone were to ask for a PPI on the car, it would be spotted easily. It wouldn't stop me buying it though. Only the price would do that. TR is fond of people that do as he says without question or suggestion, but he is passionate about his cars, and they ARE all excellent. This car has had a cosmetic freshen up and the shocks overhauled only, it's history suggests a mechanical refresh is unnecessary. 20 laps at PI/Winton will soon shake any bugs out.
Fair enough. It was getting a very thorough going over at the paint shop, so I can't understand why a minor item was passed over. Too expensive for me too.
The damage in question isn't a "cosmetic" item. But yes, it amazes me why it wouldn't get attended to too. But he's also got a race ready highly competitive 550 GTS sitting there idle, when he could be doing serious credible international races and gaining pedigree for his car, himself, his team and Australia.... I'd love to take that car back to the states and do well in it... Give Rafanelli and Olive Garden something to think about now it goes ok!!
Short attention span. I think the 550 has been off the radar for a while? In any case, I seriously doubt it would be competitive these days.
yeah it would. The Bahrain times were good enough (and no real pressure). 550's are still faster than 575's.
Prodrive 550's are faster than 575's; but I think an old Olive Garden car (albeit further developed) would be well outpaced today.
What's the difference between them really? Cosmetics is based on bodykit/aero package used. Gearbox, motor etc depends on builder. 550's are faster because they have more development. A 550 team could use a 575 chassis and would produce identical results, because it is an identical car with a newer (and more expensive) chassis to use as a basis for the car.
David Brabham would disagree. And he's driven both. Not saying the MM car would win every race, but it would be a good qualifier.
Scott, they are still providing wins in ALMS and FAI GT1. The only real threat is the MC12, which doesn't even comply with any of the regs, so I'm not sure how it's allowed to race and win championship points and the Corvettes.
