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  1. pcelenta

    pcelenta Karting

    Nov 1, 2003
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    having a problem tracking down the culprit of 2 dead cylinders. On the rear bank (one closest to you) cylinders 4 and 3 are both fuel fouled. Caps and rotors new, wires are new clavis, extenders are new aftermarket from rutlands. Car was fine until parked after getting caught in a rain storm. currently running the xr700s with crane coils. there appeared to be some arching at the coil so I trimmed back the coil wire and replaced the coil. still missing. all wires test ok for continuity. Is it possible that I slipped a belt? someone mentioned this. also, can a wire test ok for continuity and still be bad? how about cross firing?
     
  2. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

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    Did you put new plugs in those 2 cylinder? I've never had luck getting a gas fouled plug to fire again.

    A plug wire and can definately ohm good and be bad. The ohm meter checks the conductor at 0 current, when current is flowing you can easily get a different result. Also, the meter doesn't test the insulation....shutting down after it got wet sounds like insulation to me.
     
  3. 208 GT4

    208 GT4 Formula 3

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    You need to check if the plugs on the affected cylinders are firing...my guess is they're not. A Timing Light is the best way to do this, but you can check without by removing one of the affected plugs, hold it (using something insulated!) with the tip touching the engine, and see if it fires when the engine is running. You may well need assistance to do this.

    Assuming they're not firing, but the other cylinders are, then it's most likely to be the leads, the plugs or the extenders. Try removing them and replacing them with parts from known good working cylinders.

    Hopefully it's just water in the system somewhere?
     
  4. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    Do I assume that you checked the plug well (hole) to make sure that there is no water in there from the rain that you had. And I agree just take a timing light and check the plug wire to see if it is firing. If that all checks out replace those 2 plugs. As you know you have feul so you need to see if you have spark.
     
  5. pcelenta

    pcelenta Karting

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    yes, no water in the holes. pulled both plugs and they were wet with fuel. I cleaned them up and dryed them out and still have the problem. I started to wiggle the wires around while the car was running and noticed that the rpms changed...so now I think I got a bum set of wires. I picked the wires up on e-bay about 1 year ago from a guy that sells italian car parts on there alot and the plug extenders from rutlands about the same time.
     
  6. BillyD

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    The 2 cylinders that are gas fouled are both on the same carb? This sounds like a float problem?
     
  7. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

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    Good thought Billy. So maybe there is dirt in the neddle valve or a float sinking issue.
     
  8. pcelenta

    pcelenta Karting

    Nov 1, 2003
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    yes, they are both under the same carb. I changed the needle and seat thinking that was the culprite initially...fuel level in the bowl looked fine though..I didn't test the float...what is the best float test...just put it in water and look for air bubbles?
     
  9. fletch62

    fletch62 Formula Junior

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    I had a sticking check valve on the accelerator pumps on my '78 308 and it would foul plugs in about 2 miles. I discovered the problem by looking down the carbs while running and slowly increaseing rpm and I would see the accelerator jets dribble fuel.
    Hope this helps
    Merry Christmas
    Larry
     
  10. docweed

    docweed Formula Junior

    Dec 8, 2004
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    I had a dead cylinder and it was due to the air bypass screw being too far open on the throat that supplied the dead cylinder. In the process of balancing the air flow in all carbs I had the air bypass open to the point that the Air/fuel mixture screw was ineffective. When the air bypass was closed a small amount and the A/F mixture readjusted the cylinder stated firing again. Also the carb you indicated has the vacuum hose to the brake assist. You should check for leaks. Happy Holidays.
     
  11. pcelenta

    pcelenta Karting

    Nov 1, 2003
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    thanks Doc...I'm going to check the bypass screws...this problem is driving me nuts since the car was running great just before getting stuck in a rain storm...it actually ran great in the rain and the problem was exposed 2 weeks later after the car was put away in the garage and I attempted to restart it. We'll see, I plan on working on it tomorrow.

    Regards,
    Paul
     
  12. Jeff Pintler

    Jeff Pintler Formula Junior

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    Two things to check. Once a plug is fouled, no amount of cleaning can make it work correctly. I discovered this helping a buddy work on his Triumph TR-3. And plugs are so cheap. Second, coil may have enough to fire a plug that is resting up against the cylinder head but not enough energy to fire with the pressure of compression. YMMV.

    Jeff Pintler
    89 348tb, 86TR
     
  13. pcelenta

    pcelenta Karting

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    Jeff, what actually happens to the plug? does it get shorted out or something? I assumed cleaning it and drying it out would bring it back to normal...now I'm going to pull them and replace. regards, Paul
     

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