OK. I'm in trouble. I've fallen in love with the '69-'74 Alfa GTV, now I have to get one, or I may expire. I know, RUST, LOOK OUT FOR RUST, and WATCH THE INJECTION SYSTEM. Other than that, what are the pitfalls I should be watching for in this market, and what price range can I expect for driver, not concours condition cars? Every car I've seen either seems to have been modified for performance, or modified to eliminate the injection system. I'm getting a feel for driver cars at $10K to $15K, depending on overall condition, and that a very nice (maybe 90+ point) car can be had for $25K. Are these numbers wacky buyer optimistic, or about right? And, does anyone know of the guys in Florida, WWW.BOBCORALFA.COM? Seems knowledgeable, cars look very nice, but I don't know them at all, and his estimate of prices is a little higher than what I've seen. I did a search, but didn't come up with the answers I was looking for. Dave M. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Good pick Dave. Those early GTVs are really pretty and fun to drive. It's no powerhouse, but they're still fun. I have no idea on costs, but $25K sounds rediculous. I would think "drivers" should be around $10K and show cars in the $15-20 range. Again, just a guess. I would think tracking down a good one will be the tough part. There are probably plenty of expensive perfect ones and cheap basket cases, but a middle of the road good old honest one may be tough to come by. Good luck with the search, John Note to self: Need more garage space.
A pretty decent gtv can go around $10,000 depending where you live and most modified/comcours cars are over $20,000. When i bought mine it was pretty decent some rust spots here and there but the engine was almost perfect. I restored it and now drive it when the weather is nice on weekends. Here are a few pics. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
incredible little toy one of my favorite Alfa's. Sold a nice driver with solid motor and no rust for 11k a year and half ago. It was a very nice looking used car, still is.
GEEZ. I have a buddy with a very nice 308 for sale. IF I wanted one of those, I'd buy his, RIGHT???? C'mon big guy, give me some room to add an interesting Italian car that has a back seat I can put the dog in, and is still a blast to drive. Can't help it if I'm stuck in the 70's. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A COSWORTH VEGA Dave.
Note to self, to hell with more garage space. With 70's vintage Italian cars, I simply rotate them into the shop for their annual "winter" maintenance. Although, this year, maybe the Dino is getting a little more than maintenance. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
UM. NO!@@!@@!@! but, maybe a nice GTV Although, I have been putting some consideration to a Jag XKE coupe, or Mercedes 230. NAH..... I WANT A GTV!!! DM
the gtv is a jewel!!! i had a 74 and i built the engine w/ all the autodelta goodies. what a great car and not a bad line on it!!
Dave I had a stepnose 1300 GT jr, and the combination of a light chassis, incredible balance, the worlds best shifting transmission and one sweet revving engine made that one of the most enjoyable experiences anywhere. As much as I hate to say it, I started to like the GT more than my 1750 spider because it was just so simple and well balanced. I think a stepnose 1600 Giulia GT or 1750 GTV would be the pick of the litter. Good luck and have fun!! What happened to the 356?????? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Estate guy handling it has been VERY SLOW TO PRODUCE THE TITLE. Hence the car sits, with a small holding deposit, while the FRIGGIN' Laywer handling the estate drags his feet on it. I've offered to clear it up several times for him, but he seems reluctant. I know the car is still sitting, as I get an update weekly. I may abandon that and move on, much as it will cause me some pain to do so. DM
If you have questions or need information on Alfa Romeo call Dean at 313-561-3327 he is the Alfa Romeo God and he will beable to help you out and may even know of a car for you. He has been in the business for 25 years that I know of and has customers around the world.
How big is the dog? How about one of these or a 308 GT/4. There are no laws against having two Dinos... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Funny you posted this. I just went to pick up my Alfa today, and there was a gorgeous 74 GTV my mechanic was working on. I told him, "that's my next one!" Good choice.
Dave..... It amazes he how you can have such great taste in cars yet still be such a political whacko! I too am currently smitten with the GTV bug. I am seriously considering buying one of the Bobcor cars. From what I gather, they basically build the best GTVs out there. They have a good reputation, have been around forever and they offer a money back guaranty. I have spoken with Bob and he seems to be a very nice guy and knowledgable guy. I do LOVE the '69 - '74 GTV. Amazing looking and driving little cars. I had a '69 1750cc model I drove for a year or so when I was in college (among other cars owned at the time). It was a real hoot to drive, great engine sounds and a really neat transmission. But, it rusted to dust and I trashed it. Thats the main issue: These cars were built with steel sourced from the Soviet Union that had a very high carbon content. Couple that with ZERO rust protection of any sort applied at the factory and you got a disaster. The backside of things like the rocker panels and A-pillars were left bare metal. They rusted IMMEDIATLY. I have heard stories from guys dealing in Alfas at the time about cars arriving at the docks brand new with rust bubbles around the windshields! A GTV with a rust problem is a real mess. Most get "repaired" with bondo and fiberglass. The chassis is not easy to fix properly and the cars are not worth enough to really justify it. You could easily spend $25K on just bodywork and paint to fix a badly rusty car.... and most of them ARE rust buckets. A GTV really benefits from tasteful upgrades. Suspension and mild engine mods are a good thing, and unlike a Ferrari, Alfa guys will pay extra for such upgrades. Webers are good, lots of people do not understand the Spica injection and thus prefer a weber conversion. However, if the injection is setup and working right its really sweet. I actually prefer the Spica, it gives better throttle response. You can get a decent driver for $10K - $12K. It will have hidden rust and it will develop plenty of needs as time goes by. You can pay $15K - $18K and get a very nice "restored" car. It will also probably have hidden rust but will have better cosmetics. Or you can purchase a car that has been fully restored and upgraded (like a Bobcor car) for $22K - $25K. You cannot make the $10K car into the $16K car for anywhere near the difference in price.... just as you cannot make the $16K car into the $24K car for the difference in price. Personally, I would much rather buy a 100% finished, restored and truely rust free car with tasteful upgrades for more money. I believe these cars will continue to appreciate for very nice cars, particularly as more and more die the horrid death from rot. You can only bondo-bandaid a car so many times before its just DEAD. Why dont we make Bobcor a package offer..... Ill buy the silver car and you get the yellowish one? The silver is less performance oriented, but I want A/C and I like the Spica. The beigeish car has webers and is really setup hot..... Terry
I bought mine from the original owner in 1991 and I'm still enjoying it. It's original except for the paint and carpeting. Even the original floormats are untouched and the toolkit is still factory sealed. Yes, thats the dealer/window sticker. I have the original tires and wheels that came on the car. The only mechanical work I've done is a new clutch, water pump, generator bearings, muffler, brakes and tie rod ends. As long as there is no salt, I drive the car regularly. It's totally reliable. Bob Z. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Nope. If I were to buy from Bobcor, I'd want the silver one with A/C. I don't really need the hot setup, I can always drive too fast in the Dino or the M3. But I don't want a non-A/C car for here on the east coast, I'm looking for a three season car, not a 1.5 season one like the Dino. I will have a GTV, hopefully by spring. I'll be building an extension on the garage by then, if I keep this up. And, I am not a political wacko. I am simply a well intentioned liberal, with whom you disagree. DM
Bob - It is a spectacularly beautiful and well done car -- and a dream machine for me. I will give my well respected liberal friend some company in the marketplace for a GTV or 356, although will limit myself to a stepnose. They are so elegant and epitomize understated good breeding. rt former staunch conservative sliding to the left... If Winston Churchill could do it so can I
Which is interesting since I'm a psycho liberal sliding slighty right, the older I get. Russ. If you want a 356, I might be able to revive that 356 super 90 deal. It was VERY AFFORDABLE. If you're interested, drop me a PM. And stay the hell away from my GTVs. Dave
Well Dave...... I have spoken to Bob at Bobcor about the silver GTV, but I think he wants too much $$$ for it. It seems it would take at least $22K to buy the car. If it were a 1750 with A/C I might consider it, but that seems too much for a 2000 GTV to me. I too am set on buying one and hope to have one asap. IF I can find the right car, I'll buy it. The only thing that may interfere is if a great deal on a Maserati Ghibli 4.9SS were present itself! Terry
Terry. Did you talk to him about the Mustard color car? I think that may be closer to what you are looking for, except for the AWFUL COLOR it is. At least as far as I'm concerned. You might like a BABY POOP colored car. Here's a pic, and a link. http://bobcoralfa.com/1974piperyellwgtv2000.html Image Unavailable, Please Login
