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348 or 355???

Discussion in '348/355' started by kinabalu, Jan 8, 2006.

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  1. kinabalu

    kinabalu Rookie

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    Newbie here with my first post. These models are split at the model specific sections so I thought I'd post here. I had a 308 GTSi a few years back, I'm driving an BMW M3 right now and I'm considering going back to the F-car. Would you get a late 348 or an early 355? I noticed the prices for these overlap. I like the 355 a lot better but is it better to buy a late 348 with all the problems fixed or a more modern and capable early 355 but with growing pains?

    What would you do with your $$$? Any advice would be most appreciated.
    Herman.
     
  2. ghost

    ghost F1 World Champ
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    Moved to the appropriate sub-forum. I would also encourage you to search the archives, as this topic has been discussed many times before.
     
  3. jimwalking

    jimwalking Formula Junior

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    You just answered your own question. I would not suggest a Ferrari as a daily driver however unless you have very deep pockets.
     
  4. FastLapp

    FastLapp F1 Rookie

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    348 supposedly have electrical problems quite often.
     
  5. kinabalu

    kinabalu Rookie

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    I hear you, my M3 is not a daily driver either but could be...more so than a Ferrari anyway.

     
  6. jimwalking

    jimwalking Formula Junior

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    And 355s have head gasket and cracked head issues. If you are looking for a reliable, cheap to operate vehicle do not choose any Ferrari model.
     
  7. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That says it all.
     
  8. 1badboy

    1badboy Formula Junior

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    If you go for a 355, make sure you check out all the potential problems, of which they are many and very expensive to fix, at least with dealer parts. And if you are looking at Spiders, do even more homework.

    Frankly, even though you the prices may seem to overlap a little between 348 and 355, I think you'll find they are in very different leagues as far as service history and (potential) issues. You really should pay close to top $$ for a 355 with documented history and fixes to expensive things like valve guides, headers, f-1 clutches, etc where you can probably get my with a less-than-documented 348 and pray for the best :)

    I'm not going to get into styling or performance issues as i will be flamed to a crisp- but the 355 is much more expensive (to maintain and keep "right") than a 348.

    If you have more specific questions, feel free to ask....

    eric
     
  9. chaa

    chaa F1 Veteran

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    Thats new to me. I have not heard them problems come up be for. Its usualy headers and valves.
     
  10. shawsan

    shawsan Formula 3

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    So many posts on these subjects, I agree to do an extensive search.

    Anyway, the 348 and 355 are built on the same general platform, which Ferrari changes every ten years -- thus the 360 and 430 are on the same platform. Nevertheless, the 355 has always been regarded as a big leap over the 348 and never subject to the same disuasive comments that often apply to the 348. Moreover, though more costly, the 355 could well be a classic in the future, no way for the 348.

    Having owned both an M3/M5 and 355, don't even think of using a 355 as a daily driver. Maintenance costs will be WAY higher for the 355 as will breakdown anxiety -- meaning getting stranded on trips w/o easy access to dealers to fix problems.

    Again, go read the hundreds of posts on the subject.

    Good luck. Paul
    04/360 F1 Modena
     
  11. kinabalu

    kinabalu Rookie

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    Thanks for your input. It's a little surprising to hear about all these problems with the 355. I've always read that the 348 is the one with all the quality issues, especially the older ones and that they fixed everything with the 355, that it is a quantum leap over the 348.

     
  12. kinabalu

    kinabalu Rookie

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    Wow, frankly, I'm very surprised by your reactions in that it is all negative. I was expecting 348 and 355 owners fighting to defend their choices, with each saying what they love about their choices. I've owned a 308 so I know Ferraris are high maintenance automobiles (abeit at a much smaller scale with the 308) so I am not naive about that aspect of it. I will do a more extensive search of the archives. Perhaps I should get the next gen E90 M3 coming in 2007 but I do miss that Italian magic.


     
  13. jesusrdzc

    jesusrdzc Karting

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    I'm with you on the same issue. I was wondering what would happen if I rolled back to a nice 348, but reading what other members have posted, I just feel is not even worth considering.
    I also have an M3 and a 355. Honestly.... and with all the pain in my heart can say it is a pain to worry about your dream car braking down. Being stranded all the way here in the south west, I can only really enjoy the cars that my local mechanic can fix. The M is sort of taken care of by the local BMW dealer and my P cars are also taken care by my mechanic that has the diagnostic equipment. All this said you can Imagine the closest Ferrari mechanic I have is 4 hours away. My 355 has been at the shop 4 months right now and it is just painful to see it there.
    Ferraris are magnificent cars when they work, but if you want reliability think German or Japanese.
    And most definitely I will consider the E90 M3 just for the simple fact that I don't have to think about what would happen if it breaks down.
    Good luck on your decision.

     
  14. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Get what ever car you like, they both have their problems.

    Some common problems for both:

    Bad catalytic converter ecu's
    Flywheel leaking grease
    Bad triple clutch shaft seals
    Bad throw out bearing
    Pemature catalytic converter failure
    Slow window operations

    These are just a few. But don't be afraid of the car. If you are worried about maintiance cost, buy yourself a set of tools and do your own work.
     
  15. nizam

    nizam Formula 3
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    I'm afraid I'm going to have to echo the first reply; this has been a hot recurring topic around here. When I first looked for my F355, I too had the same questions and concerns. However, this 3-page thread soon answered those questions in addition to questions I didn't think to ask:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86581

    There's also a thread of pics (F355 and 348's):

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46121

    But if you really want a daily driver, or something closer to your M3 in terms of practicality, maybe an NSX might be better? There's a thread on 348 vs NSX too ...

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76981
     
  16. kinabalu

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    Thank you for your input. It's great to hear from an owner of both an M3 and F355, a situation I could end up. I too live in an area where maintenance facilities will be a problem. From Savannah, I'd have to get it flat bedded to Atlanta. At least when I had the 308 and was in LA, there were many good mechanics. I'm going to at least wait till the E90 M3 unveiling to see how badly Banglerized it is. For roughly the price of a marginally decent condition 355, you get a brand new car with full warranties and the latest technology. Still, it's not a Ferrari.

     
  17. kinabalu

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    Thanks for the links, I'll definitely check them out but NSX is out of the question, never bought into the Japanese exotic thing, it's like wearing a Chinese suit.

     
  18. CarCrazy

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    Late in getting my 2 cents in but here it is. Agree with some ... this has been discussed MANY TIMES. I have a '99 355 GTS F1 ( about 11,*** miles)... contrary to all the suppossed problems my car has only had misc problems --- F1 indicator lites, speedo sensor, few other very little things. THANKFULLY none of the "will happen problems" -- cats, manifolds etc etc.
    Do your homework & find the right F355 ('98 & above) and it will be a blast.
    F cars: you pay to play regardless of model. FYI --- Fchat is a fantastic site but can have alot of Bullsh*t thrown around by people that don't even own an Fcar but write like they had several.
     
  19. BH1

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    I have your car right now!!! Seriously, my car is perect with an extensive service history through Ferrari.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/ferrariads/showproduct.php?product=555&sort=1&cat=11&page=1

    Make an offer!!
     
  20. CambioManuale

    CambioManuale Formula Junior

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    I have a 328 GTS and a F355 Spider. in my modest opinion, no Ferrari is a daily driver, at least not as often as you would use a P-car.
    I think my cars are very reliable, but in order to keep them that way I follow three basic rules:

    1) Just drive them over weekends, ie you must have a daily use car. (keep your M3)
    2) When you use your F-car, use it properly. (respect her)
    3) Have it properly looked after by an enthusiastic official F-dealer at least every six months and have it serviced every year (do not take for granted that every F-dealer works with passion. some of them look purely at the commercial side of their activity)

    I love the 348, but the 355 is the best of old school V8 Ferraris. do your homework and buy an unmolested example with full history and have a proper PPI done (leak down and compression test highly reccomended)
     
  21. johan6504

    johan6504 Formula 3

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    Why an 98 & above. Did Ferrari make any changes to the typical problem areas?
     
  22. CarCrazy

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    Yes ... look in past FChat articles. ECU, Valve guides, etc. They made alot of little changes. I am not knocking anything under '98 (355's) but there is a big difference in the problem areas being lessened than with the older years.
     
  23. kinabalu

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    Thanks for your input. No, I was not planning to use it as a daily driver. Even my M3 is mostly a weekend car. I have another daily driver but may still keep the M3 so that I have a decent daily driver.

     
  24. kinabalu

    kinabalu Rookie

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    Yes, I've always subscribed to the old adage buy the newest Ferrari you can afford.

     
  25. chaa

    chaa F1 Veteran

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    Cant say i agree with that, especialy when ya got 288s,F40 and F50s in the mix. I would have one of these over the brandnew F430s any day of the week. And not forgetting the 250LMs,..
     

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