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360F1 jumpy in 1st gear

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by dstretch, Jan 19, 2006.

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  1. dstretch

    dstretch Rookie

    Jan 17, 2006
    31
    Atlanta, GA
    I have a 2000 360 Modena F1 and every once in a while the car will jump back in forth as I start out in first gear, mainly if I am getting on it. It's as if the clutch is being released to fast. The clutch has been replaced, as well as the throttle bearings, but it is still doing it. Ferrari thinks that it could be that the clutch may need to be adjusted. According to Ferrari, the 99 and 2000 modena F1 clutch can not be manually adjusted like the newer models, unless you buy the newer computer, which I don't mind doing to fix the problem. But I don't want to spend the money if that's not the answer.
    Any ideas? Thanks.
     
  2. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Dec 10, 2005
    100,232
    Mount Isa, Australia
    Full Name:
    Pap
    Maybe if you fill out your profile,someone here can recommend a reputable ferrari dealer/mechanic in your area that could have a look and maybe help you with it. Cheers :)
     
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  3. dstretch

    dstretch Rookie

    Jan 17, 2006
    31
    Atlanta, GA
    I take it to Ferrari of Atlanta, and they have been wonderful to work with, but they haven't been able to solve the problems yet. Thanks.
     
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  4. rafo

    rafo Karting

    Jun 6, 2005
    189
    CA
    Can you describe the problem better?

    Car is jumping back and forth as if you are giving it throttle/no throttle/throttle/no throttle? The "kangaroo" effect? You are moving ahead and it does this and it doesnt seem to go away very easy? If so, that is by design and common.

    If it is something else, sorry cant help
     
  5. dstretch

    dstretch Rookie

    Jan 17, 2006
    31
    Atlanta, GA
    It happens as I am giving it constant throttle. If I take off at a slow speed, it doesn't happen, but if I take off at a faster speed, giving it a quicker, steady increase in throttle, it will start jerking, as if the clutch was releasing too quickly and then being pushed in again. I am sorry that I can't describe it better but I have always driving a stick. I do understand that the F1's can be a little jerky starting out, but that's not the problem. I've learned to be smooth with my foot to control the jerking, but when I accelerate quickly, it acts up about 10% of the time. My local Ferrari dealership has been fantastic, but we have yet to pinpoint the problem. They have driven it and it has done this to them. At first they thought it might be the throttle bearings sticking, and we replaced them (and replaced the clutch at the same time) but it never solved the problem. They said that if they put the newer computer in it that will allow them to manually adjust the system, that may solve the problem. They are going to look at it again to rediagnose the problem, but I just thought some of ya'll might have some input. Thanks for your help.
     
  6. fmaderi

    fmaderi Formula Junior

    May 8, 2005
    258
    clearwater Fla/NY
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    frank maderi
    i dont have a lot of experience with 360's but i am curious how the car runs. is the car falling on its face and the ecu is telling the clutch to slip because the engine is thinking it is stalling,detonateing,skid control. some transmission problems are not the tranny but the engine .the other thing i would try is what happens when you push it even harder.do the wheels brake loose . i would like to know what you ever find out. forza frank
     
  7. dstretch

    dstretch Rookie

    Jan 17, 2006
    31
    Atlanta, GA
    The car runs fine. The idle is good. It starts up without any problems and runs good. The tires only break loose when I have it in sport mode and jump on the gas. I drive the car a few times a week and love it except for that ten percent of the time. But that ten percent sucks. It makes me look like a sorry driver and I know people just laugh. "Look at the guy in the Ferrari that can't drive." Thanks for your input. Hopefully Ferrari can figure out the problem.
     
  8. rafo

    rafo Karting

    Jun 6, 2005
    189
    CA
    Here is the "kangaroo" scenario, which is by design and normal:

    The 360 is throttle by wire; so realize it is extremely sensitive.

    If you give a moderate amount of throttle from a stop or a slow speed (not wide open throttle, not 10-20%, but maybe 30-50%), there is a tendency for your foot to come off the throttle VERY SLIGHTLY as the car pushes your body back due to the acceleration. This slight release of the throttle (very small, maybe 2-3%, you do NOT notice it) can send a signal to the ECU that you want to decrease throttle.

    This then slows the vehicle down, pushing you slightly off balance and forward -- your foot might then give 2-5% EXTRA throttle, sending the signal to the ECU to accelerate, which pushes you back slightly, and then cycle repeats and repeats .... You look like a fool driving down the road, bucking back and forth.

    To get out of this effect, you either need to get off the throttle completely or better yet, give it MORE fuel so you can get out of this sensitive area of the power band.

    To prevent this from ever happening, do not try to keep your foot at a fixed throttle position when you accelerate from a stop or slow speeds -- i.e. dont keep it at 40% when you take off -- instead, give it 40%, then gradually increase to 45, 50, 55, 60, until you reach your desired speed.

    This is common if you are experiencing it and is the design of the vehicle. But I am not sure you are experiencing this because I would think the dealer may have figured out what is going on already and explained to you ... unless the service guy is new
     
  9. dstretch

    dstretch Rookie

    Jan 17, 2006
    31
    Atlanta, GA
    Thanks for the input. Maybe I am doing something wrong. It's possible, but it also happened to the technician, who also races cars regularly, and he said something wasn't right.
     
  10. shawsan

    shawsan Formula 3

    Jul 2, 2004
    1,090
    Vancouver, Canada
    This is right on and applies to the jerky F1 I often get in my 04-360 as well. To counter it, I have been focusing instensely on not only NOT lifting my foot under acceleration but applying more throttle to compensate the seemingly natural tendency to lift my foot somewhat. When I do it right, I've noticed the shifts are relatively smooth, even under hard acceleration.

    Cheers, Paul
     
  11. rammsteinmatt

    rammsteinmatt Formula Junior

    Jul 26, 2005
    371
    Glendora, CA
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    Matthew Shinavar
    i have found this to be the problem with a harsh suspension starting off at a rough intersection, and you look like a complete a$$ that doesnt know how to drive a 5-MT (or F1 in this case)
     

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