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  1. Zertec

    Zertec Formula 3

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    As I originally posted this I should chime-in here. I can still do the original plan with a 6 layer pcb but I dropped it when the thread/idea appeared to be hijacked. I can revive it fairly quickly.
     
  2. andrewg

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    Revive away please Clive :D
     
  3. ProCoach

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    Steve, I'm sure it was the 3.2 part.

    -Peter
     
  4. FasterIsBetter

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    Clive,

    My apologies, but it seemed like nothing was happening on any front. The guy I know will not only make the new board with upgraded materials, but also he will take the old fuse box, disassemble it, put in new connectors, rewire it and return a finished piece to the owner. And, he's right here in New Jersey. Since other alternatives were not developing or moving forward, I thought it was worth pursuing with him. Things are not firm yet, but he can definitely do the boards and he's sourcing the rest of the needed connectors and materials now. A final price should be available soon.

    Regards,
    Steve
     
  5. Zertec

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    It wasn't you I meant.

    Anyway I will put together a quotation for the complete thing with either solid state or normal relays. Unfortunately Singapore shuts down for a week this Friday for Chinese New Year so it will be the week commencing 6 Feb when I revert.

    I am going ahead now as I need 2 myself.
     
  6. FasterIsBetter

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    Clive,

    Are you talking about producing an entire new fuse box, or retrofitting and refurbishing old ones? Obviously, if you are producing an entire unit with upgraded components, that would be preferable IMHO over a refurb of the old units. Also, on the relays, I believe that the Bosch solid state relays are plug and play with the old mechanical relays. It seems the relays are not the heart of the problem. It's that damn circuit board and the undersized connections.

    Keep us posted, and I'll do the same.

    Steve
     
  7. Zertec

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    Complete new box. Refurbishment from the other side of the planet would not be practical for you guys in the good ole US of A.

    I intend to use Hella relays as I am OEM with them.
     
  8. FasterIsBetter

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    Clive,

    It sounds like your setup would be better. Any idea on ball park pricing and how long it would take to get production up and running? I don't see a problem with Hella relays. As long as the amperage on them is correct, Hellas should work as good as Bosch.

    Steve
     
  9. Zertec

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    I have some basic prices now but need to review them with the guys after Chinese New Year. Once I have a firm price I will let you know. It won't be too much different to the figures kicked around already but it will be complete and with extra circuits available for new things.

    After pricing I will take firm orders so that I can order the correct type and number of relays from Hella.

    Whole thing, probably about 8 weeks from now to shipping.

    The Hella relays are as good as Bosch - both good German companies! - did you think I would use cr@p ;)

    Interestingly Hella are currently developing LED headlights for the next generation of VW Golf that are better than xenon headlights. They also supply bi-xenon headlights to Ferrari.

    Attached is info on a solid state relay:
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  10. FasterIsBetter

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    I've used Hella relays, fog lights, etc. in a number of applications and I find their quality excellent. Hella S.S. relays are the way to go.

    Sounds good on potential delivery -- before the Spring, yes! Waiting anxiously for pricing. ;-) Enjoy the Chinese N.Y. over there.
     
  11. snj5

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    Solid state relays - yea!
    There is also nothing wrong with good old heavy gauge wire as well.

    If this is a beefy overbuilt bulletproof unit with Japanese reliability, the Mondial world will beat a road to your door;

    I'm in.

    Happy Year of the Dog - my year!!!!
     
  12. Zertec

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    Gong Xi Fa Cai
     
  13. judge4re

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    Xie xie ni.
     
  14. SOFTWAREGUY

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    Please let me know if you go ahead with the project. I am interested, as my fuse box is looking bad.
    Thanks
     
  15. Rival

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    Over the last year or so, several people have posted "I'm gonna build a new fuse box." I hope you actually do it.

    If you build a quality unit at a reasonable price, many here (including me) will buy one.
     
  16. Vito

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    Thank you for posting all of the infomration about the Mondial fuse panel when it is available as many of I am sure are interested & potenital buyers. I would be interested in one for my '82 Mondial. How much? Shipping charges? Availability?
     
  17. ScottB

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    While all of you have been discussing how to go about having a new IC panel made I have been driving my 83 Euro QV Mondial for the last 6 months. Everything has worked flawlessly. Old technology, had it hand rewired point to point, and also replacing undersized wiring to the AC, fuel pumps, and ignition with correct size for the load. All redone to stock appearance and finished with an updated wiring/relay diagram laminated into the fuse box cover. Cost to rebuild the fuse box $460. Cost to have a new diagram made and rebuild the wiring harness $832. This repair should last the life of the car....

    And yes, the Ferrari factory trained craftsman and shop owner said he would be willing to do more cars. Cost would be varible depending on amount of work required to sort out the wiring harness and condition of the fuse box (I supplied a near new box and it was still a mess)

    Scott B

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  18. Rival

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    Whatever happened to this project? I, like so many other Mondial owners, have begun to experience electrical gremlins, and I'd sure like to have a near-total solution for them.........If this project has been placed on the back burner, would any of you who have worked on this fuse box replacement be willing to provide your work product to any of us who might be interested in taking it from here? I believe there's a market for this product, albeit a comparatively small one, and it looks like the time is now

    Anyone with knowledge of this project, please advise.
     
  19. pullenja

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    If and when this ever happens, I would be interested in one for sure...
    I have an 88 Mondial Cab. Jerry
     
  20. andrewg

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    Clive / Zertec is still working on getting replacement units designed and manufactured and Steve / Swissmondial has one of my old ones to see if he can recondition them
     
  21. Rival

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    The last discussion on this was in February of this year....any word on when units may become available? My goal is to replace, rather than to repair
     
  22. FasterIsBetter

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    The efforts I was making to have a new circuit board built to refurbish the units has come to a halt. The board designer/manufacturer says that the mulitlayer board is too costly to duplicate in small quantities to make the project economically feasible for him. So that's about that. Plus, I sold the Mondial and now have a 308, and got the Birdman upgrade fuse block for the 308. So while my sympathies go out to everyone, I'm no longer involved in seeking a solution.

    p.s. -- I lost the info on the lister who sent me the sample board to be analyzed. Please PM me and I'll return it to you.
     
  23. Zertec

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    Fuse box

    I have finally given the go-ahead to my guy to produce the six-layer PCB fuse box. After much discussion and consideration I have decided on the following methodology:

    The fuse box will not be the same footprint as the original, it doesn't matter to me that the dimensions are slightly different as clearly I'm not into originality. I will be using an off-the-shelf box to save cost. All of the relays will be enclosed within the box with the fuses mounted on the top of the box for easy access. A preprinted label will indicate what circuit each fuse and each relay is assigned to.

    Part of the problem with the original design was the highly current levels drawn through some circuits. Rather than purchase expensive high-quality connectors to plug everything in (and thereby requiring each block to be wired up to the connectors) I have decided to go for the terminal block type approach which will cope with the heavy current. Actually once the fuse box is installed it is rarely disconnected.

    Part of my delay has been a lack of focus on the fuse box problem as the Monzer project has had other priorities. The target for completed boxes is the end of January/early February.

    I am doing this because I now need fuse boxes for my Monzer project. The production cost to me is about US $1200, the PCB/Manufacturer is doing it all for the challenge rather than anything else.

    I am making 5 boxes.
     
  24. stasha

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    I'm reaching WAAAAAAY back to 2007 - asking if these upgraded fuse boxes are still available?
    Anyone, anywhere?
    Thanks.
     

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