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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by djaffrey, Dec 13, 2005.

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  1. Tony Miller

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    #451 Tony Miller, Feb 12, 2006
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    Notwithstanding its dinky tires and red brake drums, that is an incredibly handsome car.
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  2. John Vardanian

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    I agree. But the door mirror has to go too.

    The color black enhances the elegant touring cars, doesn't it? But it has to be a high quality finish or it would have the opposite effect.

    Actually, the interior quality of this car is pretty high too, but the seat are different from the standard PF coupe's.

    john
     
  3. Ed_Long

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    My oh my, isn't she a beauty! Well, the side mirror looks a bit out of place for a car of this era, but a minor detail.

    I have noticed that on some PF coupes, including this one, that there are two fittings of some kind on the rear parcel shelf. My car does not have them. What are they, luggage securing fittings? Were there some straps that clipped into them to secure your luggage? Are they only on the Series I cars, and not on the Series II cars?

    Also, I see in this photo that the temporary dealer tag does not fit the frame, which is the dilemma I have with my Oregon tag. I had to trim the tag with metal shears to fit the frame, leaving spaces at the top and bottom. It looks a bit cheesy, but I decided to keep the original frame. The shape of European tags was obviously different than that of American tags. Does everybody in the states do the same thing?

    Thanks for posting the photos of this elegant example.
    Ed
     
  4. Maranello Guy

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  5. ArtS

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    I'm pretty sure that this car is the one that was offered to me for $40k last year. If I recall, the previous owner had a milled 365 2 cam motor that he was planning on dropping in. Sounded fun and looked pretty nice as long as you don't mind that the expensive bits (the ones that give the car its soul) are the ones that are missing.

    Art S.
     
  6. racespecferrari

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    That is a lovely car, are these expensive to maintain compared to modern Ferrari's
     
  7. djaffrey

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    Well now where to start....

    I used to own a 456. Marvellous car. More computers on board than the first moon landing, lots of electricals...things broke ALL the time. Nothing major just really annoying niggly little electrical blips or this and that. Not cheap to make good but a pain in the neck. Major services were expensive. Ridiculously so from Main Dealer and slightly less so from modern specialists. The thing with the 456 was there was just so much to go wrong and as we all know Italians design and Germans engineer...so plenty did go wrong.

    Contrast to my GTE and the PF...whatever that goes wrong will be, in the most part, mechanical. My experience is this is (a) easier to identify and fix and (b) cheaper. There are also a plethora of first class specialist shops that will look after the cars. Mine is looked after by Terry Hoyle who is not only a superb enginner but a very nice man to talk to about all things Ferrari. There are countless other I could mention, amongst them first class places like MotoTechnique.

    Terry just did the following work on my PF :

    Cleaned out jets
    Tuned carbs
    Removed air box
    Compression Test
    Replaced spark plugs
    Repaired overdrive
    Fixed faulty brake light
    Replaced old exhaust with new and attended to exhaust straps and alignment of pipes

    ...and I was VERY happy with the bill. To put it in perspective it was much less than the last dealer service I had done on my 456. What did the main dealer monkeys do...probably not much. I do beleive that these old cars are maintained by enthusiats and afficionados. Last time I looked in the works department the UK main dealer there were plenty of YTS (Youth Training Scheme) faces in attendance. Not a bad thing per se but you get my point.

    So long story short....no I don't think they are expensive to maintain relative to their modern cousins. Sure they do less miles but the miles they do are so much more fun.

    Darren.
     
  8. djaffrey

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    Should read Mechanics not Monkeys. Not sure what happened there.
     
  9. ArtS

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    Darren,

    Thank you for the comparrison.

    My thought when I read nitousferrari's question is would he enjoy it when it's done? These cars can be beaten, performancewise, by a Ford Focus. Those that grew up dreaming of a 360 may be disappointed by the driving exerience of the vintage cars.

    I personally do not get excited about anything newer than a BB, how do the rest of the vintage enthusiasts feel about modern Ferraris (and visa versa)?

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  10. Ed_Long

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    Art: The new products are a confusing array of meaningless model numbers to me. I have never seen anything newer than a 512 BB and got to take a full blast ride in one on a track day at SIR many years ago. Well, I guess I did see a Testarossa here in Salem last summer and I actually recognized it to be such. But the vintage era cars through the 365's make my socks go up and down. The Fiat Dinos and such, well don't have quite the same appeal for me. Maybe it is because I grew up drooling over cars in the 60s, so the cars of that era are what I lusted for........and still do!

    My wife and I attended the Monterey Historic races back in the early 1980s and we had t-shirts made up that said "Real Ferraris have 12 cylinders" and wore them through the pits, into the stands and notably through the FCA corral. They caused quite a stir, a lot of it positive, some of it negative and you can imagine which camp liked them and which did not.
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  11. jsa330

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    Being a Vintage guy, I tend to take a ho-hum view of most cars has Ferrari produced for public sale after 1975. That being said, if I were a billionaire, I would have an F50 and an Enzo in the 30-car garage along with my extensive Vintage collection.

    In a realistic sense, I'd love to have a nice 308 or 328 to share a garage with the 330...problems: not enough space and I gave up the necessary cashflow when I retired.

    Regarding Vintage cars, this thread started being about the 250 PF coupe...in all honesty, that model ranks down at the bottom of my Vintage list, and it's not sour grapes because I could have afforded one three years+ ago when I bought the 330 2+2...the PF coupe just doesn't stir my juices...the 250 PF spyder is another matter altogether, though.
     
  12. ArtS

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    Roger,

    Your post just proves that we in vintage are dinosaurs that rarely leave this section. There is a HUGE thread in the general section on this discussing everything including the driver's DNA which started within minutes of the actual event.

    :)

    Art S.

    PS. Now, lets get back to PF Coupes!
     
  13. lesliewales

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    Before I attempt to remove the center octagonal wheel nuts on my 250 PF (I've got an original set of 3 ear nuts to install) do they unscrew clockwise or anticlockwise?

    More I try to reason this out the more I'm starting to doubt!!

    Thanks
    Les
     
  14. Vintage47

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    Assuming the hubs have been installed on the correct sides:
    left side centerlock nuts come off conventionally, ie:anti-clockwise to unscrew and right side nuts dismount by turning clockwise.

    Art T.
     
  15. lesliewales

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    Thanks for your quick response, I'll find out tomorrow!!

    Les
     
  16. Ed_Long

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    Art:
    I learned the hard way that not only do the wheel spinners come off this way, the crowned axle retention nuts come off the same way, i.e., counterclockwise on drivers side and clockwise on passenger side. This is true for both the Boano and the PF coupe.
    Ed
     
  17. 330gt

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    Another to look at this (and easier to remember) is that they tighten against the direction of forward rotation. So the tops of the knock-offs always tighten towards the rear of the car, thus you have to go the opposite to loosen them. The design was so they would always stay tight and not loosen with the wheel rotation. Years ago, even American cars had left and right hand threaded lug nuts to prevent loosening.

    Regards, Kerry
     
  18. 330gt

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  19. John Vardanian

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    It can't get much better than this--- a Lampredi under the hood and Daisy Duke over it.
     
  20. ArtS

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    Sorry John, not Lampardi - I think it's a Windsor under to hood. i think this is a car I looked at a while ago. Nicely done conversion done a long time ago however no Ferrari drivetrain.

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  21. John Vardanian

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    Actually, the damage seems to be minimal. It is the cleanest conversion I have seen so far. Who knows, with some effort the original engine/gearbox may be located right there in SoCal. A proper rear axle shouldn't be hard to locate either.

    john
     
  22. shaughnessy

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    When you find one Let me know? I certainly do not have one, nor anyone I know.
     

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