Age of 599GTB buyers

I think you are confusing age with conservatism, once you reach a certain age things don't suddenly change and you now want to be conservative, Your personality of what your likes are is pretty much set by your mid 20s and little changes as you get older, my dad who is 70 still considers my Boxer his dream car.

Its just a different type of buyer this car is targeted to that wants more of a easy going car, the same that might opt for a Mercedes or a Maybach or BMW, Ferrari has gone after a different demographic of customer with this car which BTW is a much larger demographic than those that want a raw race car experience with radical looks.

 

Please don't compare a 599 to an F40. That is just plain silly.

The F40 is iconic, arguably the best vehicle Ferrari ever has made, and is effectively a detuned race car. In today's world, it is simply fantastic. For its time, it was unbelievable.

The 599, by contrast, will be easily forgotten. Hell, it's forgettable now.

 

I didn't, someone else did. I was saying he was wrong....

I disagree with your point anyway....the 599 will be an icon in the future....mark my words.

 

That's ridiculous. Think about what you just wrote.

For a car to be iconic it has to be an exercise in engineering excellence, styled by artists, and be unattainable for the everyman both in price and in production number.

F40, Enzo, 250 GTO...

C'mon man, not the 599. That's just silly.

 

400 2+2,Urraco, Jalpa, Jarama, Islero...Wow, you made your point
Miura, Countach, Diablo, and Murc are icons due to excess. All of Lambos useable cars are doomed to obscurity. Islero is lovely car, Jarama was a boat on 612 scale. 350GTV was stunning, but production cars didn't reflect beauty.
So, 599 may not be icon, but look in your own house before dismissing our house. Nice thing about old guys is that we remember the errors of many manufactories. Seen any nice Meraks/Boras lately? LOL.
Icons indeed.

 

Where did I say those Lambos are icons?

You're assuming I have brand loyalty, which I don't. Plus I like your posts so I refuse to get goaded into a sword fight I don't want to be in.

Thus, it's not necessary for this to distill into an our house versus your house discussion. My point simply was that the 599 is not and will not be an iconic car. And you've agreed with that it seems.

 

Wow, good job! You just described the 599.

 

Well, we shall agree to disagree then. No problems with that.

 

Also, how can you consider a car "iconic" before it's even out....
Hell, remember the Daytona and TR....when they came out everyone
bitc*ed, and bitc*ed....guess what, now there icons....

 

I didn't. You did. Check out post #53.

 

The 430 doesn't look fast at a standstill? And I'm assuming you're not writing from Geneva so you haven't seen the 599 yet but there's no way you can say the 575 was more "sexy and fast" looking than the 599.

I really understand the basis upon which you and Murci-boy base your statements. By your standards the "classic" models look even less exotic and sexy than the newer models. Yet you somehow overlook this or forget about it in your statements

You can't compare limited edition Ferraris to volume models. Ferrari themselves are very clear about this. The Testarossa was the exception in terms of design, quickly forgotten I should add.

Perhaps you'd prefer Ferrari do the creatively impoverished route of rehashing "classics". They never have and they never will.

As Enzo himself said when asked which Ferrari was his favorite, "The next one."

If you don't like the look, that's one thing. But to say it looks like an old-man's car is absurd, just ludicrous, especially when you haven't even seen the car.


Forza,



Cavallini

 

The 599 scores on all points above. It's definitely more of an engineering feat than the F40 and arguably more than the Enzo because it gives easy access to those levels of performance, plus it's easily a daily driver for all conditions.

The 599's design is more complex and in terms of difficulty second only to the Enzo. The F40 was comparatively easy to design because of its singular focus. It's easy to design a car that only has to perform and look like a race-car. Road cars are much more difficult to design because of their multiple uses.

And if $300K doesn't qualify as unattainable to everyman, I'm not sure what does. Volume of course is it's weak point in comparison to these icons. But we'll see what Ferrari does towards the end of the model run. I'd expect something very, very memorable.


Forza,



Cavallini

 

Um, no....I said it WILL be an icon...not that it is.

 

Yes you absolutely can. The maranellos are sharky, they look exactly like my sig says: body builders poured into a suit. Discrete, handsome, sharky and absolutely classic.

The 599 looks like the ill-conceived love child of a Z06 and a Lexus SC. It may be fast and drivable, but then so is an Audi S8.

--Dan

 

the F40 IS a road car.

 

i think we can safely start to ignore this guy's posts (blucamss, that is)

 

Ugh. Your posts have ceased making sense.

Please have your thread back. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

Your's are so informative!

 

Sorry, I assumed you could follow along....maybe some more schooling can help you?

 

compared to yours they sure are.

you keep quoting figures and ideas about things you don't really understand, and when you're corrected, you don't even acknowledge it. i don't know what you're trying to achieve, but you've lost all credibility with me.

 

Fair enough, but jury is out on icon status. I'll buy one, don't think it is nearly as pretty as my Maranello. Interesting details, fast, great interior, more space.
But, it doesn't yet make me want to wander out to the garage and stare at all the little details like my Maranello does.
We are doomed to endure odd/noncohesive design, initially due to Bunghole, who killed BMW for me. Now new S class has Focus front fenders, BMW has fetid interiors/trunks, and multitudes of makers are following suit. At least 997 looks better than 996, and CGT is pretty. SLR is a characature, heavy and blingy. Bleah. Depressing, but 599 has potential, VERY color sensitive, but so are 456/612/Maranello/TR's. Dealer has red 612 that looks like a bleeding whale. Hurts to look at it. Sigh.
At least they still go like stink, make pretty noises, and are useable. I'm not brand loyal either, but I have had a bunch of F-cars, and they still are the most satisfying to use.

Um, that's W12, ol' buddy
PS:this is the only swordfight I like
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Well, young friend, I'm sure your sardonic tone was meant to mirror my admittedly curt rejoinder, but I assure you I've had more schooling than most.

That being said, schooling does not buy class. Nor does it buy intelligence, nor ability for logical discourse.

Aircon is spot on in his comments, and you have lost credibility with me as well.

 

Seems like you don't understand....sorry to hear....back to school for you!

 

I'm hurt, really I am.

I used to love you guys!

 

I believe we are on the same side of the fence anyway, Sfu.

I'd get a 599 too if I had the space, and feel that while it is not brilliant in a way that other vehicles are, it still would be a helluva ride. I can't argue either with your comments pertaining to the 550/575. I love that car and find that its design is compelling and interesting to the eye.

Also agreeing on the Banglization of BMW and the weak MB flagship styling. Not a huge fan of the CGT though for it seems too pretty to me. The SLR, while a bit goofy in concept, probably would make me feel like Batman. And who doesn't want to be Batman in a grocery getter?

I'll be the first to admit that Lambos are ego-strokers much moreso than F-cars. But then again, talk to the guy who drives a used Festiva and he'll tell you that a 308 is for rockstars. We are a subculture onto ourselves.

Swords down and sheathed. My group over here is mostly F-car guys anyway.
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