Ebay (alleged) Scam by one of our OWN!!

Anybody thinks one could get laid easier if one was to have rosso corsa condoms with the Scuderia Shields painted on both sides of the "ride"?

 

It wouldn't suprise me to see official Ferrari licensed condoms. Only offer them for sale individually through flashy dispensers with a rosso corsa paintjob at $5.00 a piece. Some people will buy just about anything with cavallino rampante on it. All they'd need after that is Ferrari brand liqour and cigars and they'll be set.

 

Not what I would call a scam....

A couple of things....

I would be suprised that if Jimmy540i is aware of this thread and is innocent, that he hasn't responded to it to defend his innocence.. Being called a scammer is not something that most innocent people would take lightly.

If he was collecting the money and not sending the keys, I would consider this a scam, but as long as he is sending the product that he is describing...then I wouldn't call this a scam....although...you could go back and forth on this assertion because part of what he is selling has value because of the 'exclusivity of not easily being attained'...which is flat out a lie. I would relate it like this...It's like selling a tv with a remote, but not sending them the remote (because you are not sending them everything that was advertised)...in Jimmy's case...the 'exclusivity of the key' (which nobody can argue holds monetary value) is what is not being conveyed to the buyer...

although I wouldn't go as far as to say it is a scam, but I would possibily call it FRAUD....

Isn't knowingly, willingly, and purposely misrepresenting a product by making factual statements about the product that are known to be false in order to induce the sale of that said product considered 'Fraud'...This is not fluff, like "This product is in great condition" or opinion like "This product will probably go up triple in value in one year", he is knowingly stating a FACTUAL MISREPRESENTATION...

The price of the product alone (without the factual misrepresentation) has nothing to do with this arguement...he can sell them for a $1,000 a piece and if he finds a sucker, then oh well, buyer beware...But I do not think buyer beware applies in situations where the seller has intentionally decieved the buyer by making factual misrepresentations about the product.

I think the heart of the argument comes down to whether the factual misrepresentation that Jimmy is making is material. If it is immaterial, then you can't really call it fraud IMO. My personal opinion is that the factual misrepresentation that Jimmy540i is making is material to the 'perceived value' of the product.

'Thats my story and I'm stickin to it'

 

Scam or not it shows the guys character or lack of.

 

You guys trust someone who looks like this???
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That's not very nice. Dishonesty is a human trait, not a racial one.

 

> 100 posts!

Come on, after all we are discussing a minor offense at best ..

Do I think it would be OK to make such false statements deliberately? - NO!

Would I act the same way? - NO!

Would I buy anything from a person with this kind of business philosophy? - NO!

If a good friend of mine did the same, would I stop drinking beer with him? - NO!

Do I think our fellow chatter could have made the statement in question inadvertently? - Hell, YES!

 

I guess each interprets his own way, but I didn't see his comment attacking his racial background...

I was more looking at the 'abercrombie cut-off shirt' with the shades and the camera...Plus, with the caption "caught on candid camera" and a smiley at the bottom, I took it as a joke more then anything...(i personally like his style though!)

but as usual (and I should put this as my disclaimer)......I probably know less then what is really going on!

 

Absolutely agree, except for the last statement....

I have trouble believing that he would have made this statement inadvertently or 'not knowing it to be false' because if that were the case...

Where did HE get the keys from?? Unless he owns an Enzo (which I do not beleive the case although I could be mistaken...and if I am I stand corrected) then he would have had to bought the keys himself from Ferrari KNOWING that you can buy the keys from Ferrari without being an Enzo owner. Unless of course he bought them from another source, which I find highly doubtful as well...

But none of us know Jimmy's side to this, and I think that if he posted his side...it could possibly clear up a lot of questions....

 

Leave 540 alone.

Why don't we better have a thread on how Ferrari price of parts "scam" a lot of people?

 

Exactly. Pretty much anything that is tied into Ferrari has some horrendous mark up with a promise of perceived exclusivity/whatever. Nothing new here folks You can choose not to buy if you don't like the program.

 

Is it really a scam or is it simply "perceived Value". You could argue that the mark up that Ferrari puts on their products is nothing coimpared to what Ikea, Nike or Wal Mart put on some of their products that they import for pennies.

So far Companies like Ferrari keep the West in a position of wealth due to perceived value; people attach a certain charisma to a product made by Ferrari which most likely/hopefully is still really made in Italy. So from the overall perspective its a good thing. I would rather be ripped off by Ferrari than Wal Mart etc.

Helmut

 

Who gives a crap about the $. If anyone of us is selling something, be it a car or whatever, we'll want top $. I don't see a problem there.

The issue is with the representation.

If it's incorrect, misrepresented, fluffed, puffed or otherwise wrong and not corrected it's "unture." What's so hard about that?

An untruth is a lie. It's not salesmanship, or the state of things today, it's a lie.

Scam is to harsh a word. IMO, It's a misrepresentation to take advantage of those who lack knowledge.

 

Possibly...and you're probably "faster", too....

 

Is it just me or....who the heck wants a big ass key like that in their pocket??

I'll keep the little black one with the horsey on it. Much more comefy.

Ken

 

Some people think that size matters!
Just remember to put it on your left pocket.

 

Uh, I guess so. Is that Jimmy? Trust him how? I guess I am pretty clueless about this whole thing. Jimmy posted a key for sale at a price higher than a dealer will accept. He claims you can't get them at a dealer unless you own an Enzo (which at one time was true I guess). Some Asian guy is holding a camera wearing a cut off shirt. I guess I would trust the guy in the Abercrombie shirt more than other people I have seen on the street. He kind of looks like a guy that used to work with me who is very trustworthy.
BT

 

I always thought he was pixelated.

Great post, wrong thread. I'm reading Tom Friedman's "The World is Flat" now, and there's no doubt that "made in Italy" is going to be increasingly rare and expensive to come by. Ferrari may be the only car made in Italy at some point, and obscene prices and less-than-perfect quality are what we tolerate for exclusivity and the unique experience. England is already there. It's mainstream-priced products (Land Rover Freelander, Jag X-Type) are getting killed by better vehicles from Asia.

My sofas were made in Italy. They took 6 months to arrive, one was defective, then it took another 6 months to replace. After I paid $6K or so for them. Gorgeous and worth it, IMO. But most people wouldn't value the aesthetics enough to pay that much and deal with the hassle.

OK back to the key scam... and you can't argue for "perceived value" if the person doing the perceiving hasn't been told the truth.

 

What race is he?
German?
Does he go by the name DIETRICH?

 

So which is worse?

Someone that sells Ferrari merchandise by creative and/or misleading methods.

OR

Someone that makes and sells Ferrari knock-off merchandise. (badges, hats, shirts, etc.)

I would think that the illegal production and distribution of unlicensed merchandise is a much more deceptive and ILLEGAL practice than reselling a key.

IMHO....As long as we're slinging mud, might as well aim it at a bigger target.

 

Only if that person is trying to pass those goods off as authentic...If they are selling knock-offs and letting their customers know that they are knock-offs, they are NOT deceiving the customer...Granted they are cheating Ferrari, but IMHO...I have less of a problem with some cheating Ferrari (because I carry such sympathy for them) then someone cheating your average, everyday buyer (that isn't a billion dollar money making machine)...

But you are right, they are both wrong...

I don't understand your point about slinging mud, Jimmy540i was called out specifically in this circumstance with factual documentation...If you have a bigger target that you would like to aim it at then, please, by all means let us know who that Fchatter is as well as provide factual evidence as to what they did.

 

The comment was mearly an observation I made. It appeared to me that the thread, at times, drifted off the subject of Jimmy and his sales tactics. I don't agree with his sales approach, but at least he didn't make a cheap knock-off and call it genuine. The "bigger target" comment is directed toward the the individals, whomever they may be, that pass off fake products as being authorized by Ferrari.

 

I just have to add something. I've never met Jimmy, in fact I've only met three FChatters, and even then briefly. So I'm just making this comment based on what I've read on the board.

So here goes, I find it interesting that awhite is calling out Jimmy540i on his misrepresentations, going so far as to call the people who bought the key to let them know that they got a crappy deal, but he was vigorous in defending Roland and his misrepresentations.

Roland's misrepresentations may have been inadvertant, as could be Jimmy540i's. It's just interesting how people's perceptions can change so drastically depending on who is invovled.

Cyrus