guy talks about needing a diablo since getting rid of the murci, selling off junk porkers to make room in stable, says can't come to play coz going to a car auction over east, car auction has a diablo... you are teh genius! can't wait to see it out and about.
So if you lose your books or they get damaged or stolen your car is basically worthless as no one will buy it? We got burgled a couple of years ago and all of our 'documents' were taken which amongst them was all the documentation for my Lotus and Mercedes. These got replaced along with all the service history stamps etc and I sold these cars long ago. Sure they're not Lamborghini's or Ferrari's but I think I'm missing something. I would've thought that a documented traceable history (receipts) of service and maintenance is the most important thing. I would've thought how it is recorded is of little consequence. Does this ID book thing only come with Ferrari and Lamborghini?
Not really into new cars so much, sorry! The Murcie to me (never having driven one) seems to be a refugee from the 1980's Kind of like our old Testarossa that has been modded and prodded into production in the next century. Too big, too heavy and crap ergonomics. Not my cup of tea; but seems to work for other folks.
The value of the factory identification (as opposed to dealer history) varies in importance depending on the car involved. I seriously doubt if losing the books on your Hyundai excell is going to matter one iota if you have the service info from your dealer. Lose the factory identity on your $500k plus exotic and it tends to harm the resale value significantly. This "Factory ID" is NOT issued or able to be replicated by the local dealer in the case of Ferrari. The factory is not interested in supplying it either as they do not wish to be party to any theft/re-birthing of their product. This is often an International problem with high end exotics. From memory there are at least two F50's that were stolen in Europe that ended up in Japan. Why Japan? Because the Japanese importation and registration system is able to be rorted and the authorities have little interest in catching the crims and getting the car back. Sheehan wrote an article on this at some point. So re-supplying the cars Factory ID would provide legitimacy to the stolen car. One of the reasons that they won't supply the ID....... On stolen Ferraris- there were apparently some 246 Dino's that were stolen in England waaaaaay back in the mists of time that reputedly ended up in Australia. If you are looking at an English spec car, it might pay to check with the English owners register before handing over the $$$$
I remember that green one at southport sitting next to a 550 Barchetta. Talk about a beautiful sight. Well figured I would get in on the act of posting pics. This is the blue I'm talking about and also in white. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Is this also the case with the 250/275/330/365 era cars? Would a mint car restored to concourse condition without full original documentation be worth more than an original in average condition with full documentation? I guess every collectors dream is an original unrestored car with full documentation. Just like art, the intrinsic value is priceless. The 356 Speedster at Pickles was restored to almost new with disc brakes and full electrical wiring. Truly a beautiful car but the mystique was gone. I don't know. It looked brand new. The history was gone.
Yes, it is even more important to have the books on collector cars. Have a look at the crazy prices that full sets of Dino books are making on ebay lately. Try $10k and up. Even the silly clock tags that were disposable instructions on use are mega money. The 356 you are describing has lost the patination that only comes with use and age. There is an art to "sensitive restorations" that aim to retain this look. When I had my 308 restored, I left the interior leather entirely. It has a lovely patina and shows subtle wear in places. I left it on purpose; but sometimes it loses points at concour, others it gains. Some people don't get it and it all has to be shiny and new- shame really; but everyone has different tastes.
well considering that no speedster ever left the factory with disc brakes, of course the mystique is gone. that car wasn't restored, it had been hot rodded.
believe it or not , i dialled the number today and hung up before it rang . thought about a straight swap for the CS plus they pay stamps
i think scud wants the Egear, but i think this car could be had at even less if you neg. with them. Damelians are a good bunch, thats were i got my car from.
I know someone that got 275GTB/4 last year which had been restored to some degree. The seats looked brand new, to the extent they looked fake. I was expecting 'old and cracked'. Have to say I was disapointed.
Yeah I know sad but true. He brought the car for $140k a few years back and spent $70k upgrading it, and it doesn't reach $150k.
interesting you say that. a few years back i bought a Honda NSX T from damelian. I asked about the history. He (robert damelian) swore black and blue the car was honda MD car. i asked if it was motoring demo car and he denied it. anyway car got here and while i was registering it (waiting in line) i looked at the original rego (it was victorian OGW 911 i think). this rego seemed familiar. i bolted home and grabbed an issue of MOTOR from a few months back and sure enough, this was the motoring press car being flogged. Rang Honda MD - he claimed Damelian bought the press car knowing full well it was the press car. i rang and after an abusive conversation, i agreed to keep the car if he dropped $X thousand in my account. Another time i sold him my Lotus Esprit GT3S. When new, the car came with a watch and jacket. When he took the car, i sent someone to collect the cheque. he refused to hand the cheque over until he got the original watch (never mentioned in the deal of course). i would have throttled him if i was there. would never do business with them again.
I went past in Jan this year to look at the car it had a $450k price tag on it then. With a $51k drop in 3mths, if u wait another 3mths u should get it for $350k I recall the front would of needed some touchups, from chips n that.
that sounds bad. I mean i had some issues, but they were resolved,so i cant really say they did anything bad. In fact i think its good, as i have had plenty of other car dealers never actually even try to resolve any issues. I made the mistake of buying a Holden once, talk about a company with no clue, the seem to figure theres enough flanny wearing, VB drinking bogans around to keep them in business, as i have nothing but distain for their customer service.
I can understand why you would want to throttle him. Strictly speaking, if he didn't ask for the watch during negotiations, then he had no right to it once the deal was struck. It wasn't bargained for, and unless there was a clause (in the written contract) or verbal agreement which stated that the car was to be supplied with any or all supplementaries (jackets, watches, shoes, etc), from a legal perspective, I don't think he would have had a leg to stand on if you withheld the watch. Just my humble opinion, of course.
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