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  1. PeterS

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    I'm ready to put a bullet in my head! First week from hell with the Queensland Heeler trying to house break her. She eats twice a day and gets plenty of water. I watch her like a hawk and when she starts to go on the carpet, I pull her outside and say 'Go Pottie Outside'. A half hour after her meals, she gets a walk until she 'goes'. She gets a break every half any hour to go outside with my normal command.....But still goes a lot on the carpet.

    When does this end and what am I doing wrong?

    Sincere thanks in advance for all the good tips I am hopeful to get!
     
  2. scott.waldon

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    You just gotta be firm, give the AH AH!! when there gonna do sumthing rong and get them use to taking themself out at a earlysih age
     
  3. Z0RR0

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    Give her some time! When we got our pup, it took more than week!
     
  4. Gilles27

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    I'll try to help before it turns into another Lamour thread. Are you crate training? She will start getting the hang of it, but the first thing you can do is regulate her water. Just like with food, don't leave water out for puppies. Let them have some after they eat and after they play, then put it away. One thing I've seen work is to keep the puppy on-leash while in the house. This also helps with training and bonding since keeping the dog close by will teach her to focus on you. But the bottom line is their bladders are obviously small, so you have to be really pro-active. Immediately after eating and playing are the biggest times to run her outside. Don't even wait half an hour. Our younger dog ended up taking longer because of dominance issues, but a single dog should get the hang of it fairly quickly. Don't waste your money on anything like "potty pads", because she'll piss the carpet then chew up the pad. By now you should start recognizing her signs that she's looking to go and get her outside.
     
  5. SIVAN

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    Hi, I had some experience training my dogs. The first time you took the puppy home, you should have taken it directly to the back yard (or outside somewhere if you don't have a back yard) and left it there until it pee and poop a few times before it ever gets inside. Dogs imprint on this outside toilet location very quickly. And you don't have to say anything either, that would just confuse it more, especially long sentences. But don't forget to praise it a lot when it is finished . It has to see that you are so happy when it poop right there. It will never understand why, but it will do it there again just to see your happy face. At this point though, you really should leave it outside for two or three days so it gets used to the idea that its toilet is outside. In general, just feed it once a day outside then walk or let it do its thing outside first before you let it into the house again. Leave the water outside too, unless the dog has to be inside during the day when you are not home. If the dog has to be inside during the day, then you will have to walk it in the morning or let it out so it can do its thing again before you let it back inside. In the first few weeks, it is also good to keep the puppy in a dog pen ( I used a large traveling cage for my puppies) when you can't watch it , like at night time. You also have to clean the carpet well so it can't smell its pee there, otherwise it'll just do it in there again.
    Good luck, I hope this help, if it doesn't, you've got the gun loaded already.
    SiVan
     
  6. Ike

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    one thing that seemed to work was to only give treats right after the dog would "go" outside. The dogs would start to put it together and wait until they were outside so they would get the treats.
     
  7. 4za

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    Crate trainging works very well, as well as praising it right after it goes to the bathroom outside (with treats and pets).

    If it pees in the house, rub the dogs nose in it... the dog will learn real fast! This worked well for the last dog I had helped potty-train.

    Good luck!
     
  8. MrScarface

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    The dog is smart. I would use more force. Shove it's nose in it and whip it's ass and yell "NO!". Then put it outside. Take it outside as much as possible. When it goes to bathroom outside, give praise and a treat. Praise when it does good, whip it's ass when it does bad. It will quickly figure out which is more rewarding.
     
  9. PeterS

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    Whoop'en the dog's ass would not be easy for me. Does the 'rolled up newspaper' work?
     
  10. racerx

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    Its all reward and praise vs. disapproval and (light) punishment. And use the same term for the activity (wee-wee etc. you get the picture) If you catch her going inside, interrupt her, say sternly and loudly no wee-wee!! and bring her outside right away and let her go and then praise and give treats. Say good wee-wee outside. Make good, outside, and the other terms regular usage.

    After a short while she should get clued in unless she is retarded. Longish walks are good, let the sniff and go routine work and praise her. When you see her sniff in the house a big NO wee-wee ought to work. A tiny spank in house might be needed.

    I had my mastiff puppy learn fast and i taught him to scratch the door to let me know when he had to go. He was a smart SOB.
     
  11. Dr C

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    The key is crate/kennel training. Get a kennel and keep the puppy in it whenever you are not specifically paying attention to it or it is outside. The vast majority of puppies do not want to pee/poop in the kennel when they will have to remain standing afterward because there is not way to get away from it and it's not big enough to lay down without laying in it. If you only have a big kennel, then place something in the kennel that cannot be chewed (like cinder blocks) to make the puppy's area small.

    When you are ready to do something with the puppy, like let it out in the morning, they should go directly from the kennel to the outside (we slide the kennel over next to the door so that the ONLY choice is to go outside). In this manner, the puppy will come to want to go outside to pee/poop.

    We have trained 3 Jack Russell Terriorists with almost no accidents and have never hit anyone of them. Try to spend time every single day, multiple times if you can, one-on-one with the puppy, both inside and outside.

    Dogs really thrive on consistency. Puppy don't have a lot of warnind when they have to pee/poop. If the puppy is wondering around your place and starts to pee, you cannot get to it fast enough to stop it -- some pee will get out and the association (as well as the scent in the carpeting) will be made.
     
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    Dr C is correct. It worked with both of our dogs. It might seem mean but it isnt. Its much better than wacking thrm.
     
  13. Buzz48317

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    The people think that it is punishment to crate your dog don't understand the basic nature of a dog. Dogs are den animals...they live in dens in the wild and are instinctivly drawn to close enclosures. Crating your dog when you are not around will actually make the animal MORE not less comfortable. We crated our dog when he was a puppy to house break him and we still crate him when we are not around...he is happy and well adjusted. If you do decide to crate him while house breaking him make sure that you crate him at night also, dogs won't dirty the area where they sleep...eventually he will see your house as his den and won't want to pee or poop there either.

    Remember it is an adjustment for him too, he WILL become house broken and you are not the first person to go through this or have these feelings. Good luck and please don't beat the dog it will only instill distrust on his part towards you.
     
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    I have had 3 pitbulls in my time, and very beautiful and smart animal. Not sure what type of dog you have, but it took me 5-6 months to train them to pottie outside.

    I used newspaper for both poo and pee (thick), dogs took that well, and moved the paper closer to the door weekly (from there cage when they were inside the home). Once they got the concept to do it on the paper, they understood that it was only allowed. Eventually, moved the paper outside and they went outside.

    The hardest part was to get them to understand at a young age, putting there nose into would make me feel better, but the dogs did not learn from that. The newspaper on the face (noise scared them) worked best for disciple, and treats when they did a good deed.

    The rest will take time.
     
  15. Z0RR0

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    That's crap (no pun intended). Shoving its nose in it will not change a thing ... smells like Chanel 5 to them. A big NO and pulling her outside will work better. And of course praise when she does well ...
     
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    We never had this problem with our dog, so I never tried it but I read that you can teach the dog to do its business on command. Kind of like what everyone else was saying with giving it a treat when it goes outside, but add a command to it. When the dog starts doing its thing, say a command word (pick a word you wont use much inside the house!), and then give it a treat. It will associate the word with using the facilites and you won't be waiting around forever when you need it to go.
     
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    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94412&highlight=dog+crate+training

    read that!!!

    Peter. It takes more than a few days, especially if the puppy is brought into the home young.

    Crates? BAH!! would you like to be in a crate??? No, the dog doesn't enjoy it, if he did, he'd go there on his own and not have to be TRAINED TO GO THERE.

    I think crate training is overrated, and cruel. But that's just me, I'm an animal lover and well known left wing loonie.

    Praise for success, you can scold if you want when they make a mistake, maybe it will make you feel better, but it ain't gonna get the dog to behave any better. POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT WORKS BEST.

    Also, inquire with the breeder if the dog was let out with mom to do it's "business" as a small pup. That helps a lot in getting the dog trained.

    No water after 6:00 PM. That's not cruel, and will help the puppy along.

    dm
     
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    As someone mentioned, dogs are den animals. Crate training isn't a fad, it is a fact. Some dogs, however, take to it more than others. The idea is to give then a safe cozy place to call home. A crate is not for punishment.

    I'm not a big believer in striking the dog or putting his nose in the mistake. I think it just confuses the dog a creates fear. One thing to keep in mind is unless you catch the dog doing his business, you shouldn't punish him. He has already forgotten what he did and will only know you are mad at him. In that situation, it's best just to clean it up and move on.

    Keep in mind some dogs just take longer than others. Your dog may really be trying, but his bladder just won't hold on. Give him time, it could take a while. If you don't have PetZyme or something similar, get some, it is your friend. It will keep him from releasing in the same spot.

    As for water, you need to control his input. If he is acting thirsty or visiting his bowl for water, give him an ice cube or two. Take him out in 30 minutes.
     
  19. quartermaster

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    Pete,
    Don't hit the dog. Use your 'tone of voice'. Puppy will understand.
    Re: housebreaking, take the pup out every 10 minutes if you need to--always through the same door you want the put to go to when it needs to 'tell' you it has to go. Don't confuse the dog.
    And don't be surprised if the housetraining takes 6 months. But, hey! You needed new carpets anyway, right?:)
     
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    HAH! I just bought $8K of new carpets! Not sure I made the purchases in the right order! As far as hitting, I can't do it. The pup DOES understand 'NO', which is good. She gets a trip outside every 30 minutes (I like the same door idea). She gets a treat for #1's & 2's outside. She get a big 'NO!' when I catch her on the carpet and she does outside where I say "pottie outside'.

    At night, she is in her box with pillows and toys next to my bed. She has yet to 'go' in the box. In the AM, she goes out the door for 1&2 and gets a treat.
    One poster stated to feed once a day. Is that right? I pig out 6-8 times a day while the pup watches! That's gotta suck for a dog!
     
  22. quartermaster

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    We used a giant tupperware 'tote' to put the poodle in at night when she was a pup. It worked just fine until it became too small for her.
    Be patient. More than anything, your pup wants to please you...Oh, let me rephrase: More than anything, your pup wants to please you AND EAT THE SAME FOOD YOU ARE EATING!
    Good luck!
     

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