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  1. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ Consultant Owner

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    What does it end up saying? I know in Japanese your name characters are usually arranged to have a meaning. Does this do the same?
     
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    acutally if you look at those 3 characters, they each have a different meaning, starting

    #1 (FA) - definition by the character = Law, a rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority.

    #2 (LA) - definition by the character = Pull, to apply force to so as to cause or tend to cause motion toward the source of the force

    #1 (LEE) - definition by the character = Benefit, something that promotes or enhances well-being; an advantage

    Put 3 of them together, it really means nothing but sound like "FERRARI"

    I really like the way the Chinese put these 3 characters for becoming Ferrari, but the way they put it (twice) on the actual Ferrari is its ....... odd
     
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    Damn, there goes the last honest politician. ;)
     
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    I'm surprised Arlie hasn't said anything!
     
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    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    The whole thing is a bit weird and smells of propaganda. I googled the story and this pic is about as far as I got. If they really built a P4 replica, wouldn't it be for sale somewhere? I know the Chinese care little about TM (saw recently a show on CBS Sunday morning about how they now mass reproduce classic paintings with human labor, a hand painted Van Gogh for $ 50), so I would think this car would pop up somewhere for sale, but I didn't find anything.
     
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    Ive seen photos of Chinese knock off "Jeeps" & "Harleys" if I was Ferrari I wouldnt be too worried about this passing for a real P4

    Now if the chinese model manufacturers built it, then I would be worried bcus they have some high quality models
     
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    Ferrari has shut down kit car replica manufactures here in the states based on trade dress. There was a notable copy of the 308 that was of good quality cased on the Fiero. Then theres the McBurnie Daytona based on the Corvette. The stop a company from manufacturing F50's and had the molds destroyed and another F50 replica maker only allowing him to build one for his own personal use and not for public sale. About 10 years ago there was a replica 355 spider manufacturer busted and molds destroyed. All based on trade dress and causing "confusion in the marketplace". Not sure how Ferrari handled the 250 GTO Datsun 240Z based replica, but they were probably dealt with as well..

    JD


     
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    He's in Chinese classes...
     
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    Thanks, Jeff, I hadn't heard of that. I'll have to look those up on Lexis (if they're on there).
     
  10. Artvonne

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    If they could just build a decent 2.0 liter, or 1500 cc V-12 copy, id find a way to get one.

    But seriously, everything we buy is now just about all Chinese. Ames has been a manuafacture of shovels for over 200 years. The British forced the colonists to use woden shovels, and the punishment of making a steel one was to be drawn and quartered. Ames made a steel one anyway and thumbed his nose at the brits, good patriot that he was. I tried to buy a couple at the hardware store, all were Ames, all were Chinese. Thats right guys, America cant even make a simple shovel anymore.
     
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    I raised the question of making relica GT40s on a GT40 forum a while ago with little interest. I deal everyday with fibreglass/CNC/engineering companies here. To produce a rolling chassis is dirt cheap, very good engineering staff and tradesmen are dirt cheap. Most of the expense is in labour and we know that tradesmen now are very highy paid in US/Aus/NZ/UK etc. Also the raw materials are cheaper here.

    If someone was smart enough to get a good replica P4 into China to copy, it would be so easy to start rolling them of a production line at a quality equal or better than a western replica maker.

    Morally is it right? I think as long as other companies are making reps then why shouldn't China. I would not feel good about coping an orginal, but I think coping a copy is not quite so bad:)

    Cheers, Neil
     
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    next ones are: Chirac, Blair, Bush....afther the world be better.
     
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    ahhh, chinese engineering, fit and finish, a real collector's item :)

    plastic shifter knob, and faux leather interior, from china-doni.
     
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    car designs are copyrighted, certin things, such as logos and names are trademarked. copyrights last the life of the original designer and then 70 years after (to protect the claim of whom ever the copyright is left or sold to)

    trademarks last forever as long as they are consistantly used.
     
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    Actually the correct way to write Ferrari in chinese pinyin is "FA LA LI" not Fa la lee. "Lee" is not written in mandarin chinese its a cantonese word(south china). And no it doesnt mean law, pull, benefit. Just like McDonalds is called Mai Dan Lao (pronounced ("my" ) ("dan" like the mafia name don) "Lao" is said like Cow the animal) KFC is call Ken de qi (ken like the name, de is like duh, qi sounds like (chi) tree). Chinese words are put together forming compound words, seperating them means nothing. Actually you can take the word LAW and seperate it, Law comes from Shui and Qu, then Qu can be broken down into Da and tu and so on and so on......

    Anyhow Fa La Li, comes from common Family names with no direct meaning, just as McDonalds Mai Dan lao has no meaning. Other wise direct translation would mean everyone is buying OLD(lao) food.

    Also Fa directly means orginize, or method, structure. As in the words bingfa, banfa, law words being something structured and organized sometimes start with Fa for this reason
     
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    Under a form VA application? Are they copyrighting the blueprint, the car molds? The shapes drawn on paper?

    I'm trying to figure this out, and I looked at www.copyright.gov/records and can't find anything about the actual cars, just copyrights on books, movies and sales literature.

    Actually, I just looked around and it appears that the designs are patented under a design patent:
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    strange, but you are correct. must have something to do with the merger clause. im sure the blueprints and molds are copyrighted.
     
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    I read a HK news paper today and they said the "7th Ferrari" was actually MADE IN THAILAND.
     
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    I knew it...

    Only another Italian politician grandstanding and using the sacred Ferrari name to make his point:

    A little birdy provided me with a clearer view of the picture of the P4. That Shanghai scrapyard looks all of a sudden more like from the UK hinterlands.

    The car in question is a Noble P4 replica. Pretty obvious by the elongated roof line.

    PS: Actually too bad, I would have liked to see P4 replicas coming from China. After all they produce pretty much everything else we use today. Including High Tech.
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    It's great how it's 'hidden' in a junkyard.
     
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    Are there any design patents from the 60ies cars?
     
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    Design patents only last 14 years. The earliest that was on the uspto.gov site was the F40, filed in 1987 and issued in 1990.

    The search page says "(full-text since 1976, full-page images since 1790)" so I think it would be there if they had filed earlier ones.

    *this is not legal advice.
     
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    So, it being 2006 now, I can legally market an F40 lookalike as long as it doesn't have F40 or Ferrari on it? Awesome, time to buy up the Fieros...
     
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    AFAIK. Probably why they haven't crushed that little NZ company making the F40 clone. Maybe they've tried though. They probably made it for "personal use" and not commercial sale though.
     

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