Tom Cruise "mastering" the Veyron; Cruise bashing thread too!

Check out my thread on Tom and his P-51 Mustang under the other vehicles section. He can't be ALL that bad!

 

Facts are facts, history is history. Quacks are quacks.

If you can't deal with facts too bad. And since you can't take it you put up some pic like a *******.

Now you are better than the liberal based PBS producers and researchers. I guess they are full of **** too. Maybe they are scientologists. So only your view based on feelings matters. I think you are in need of some quackery.

And How does that make you feel?


And to f355, no i'm not a scientologist just an everyday believer in god who can use his god given brain to see facts presented by unbiased researchers and come to the only rational conclusion.

 

I didn't ask you if he influenced your thinking, I asked if you believed as he does that there is is no valid basis for ever prescribing psychiatric drugs. An important distinction, and you still haven't answered the question.

We are still at the beginning of real medicine also, in relative terms. That doesn't preclude me wanting an MRI when my lower back is debilitating me just because in 100 years the resolution and capabilities of imaging will be a quantum leap beyond today's.
We do understand brain-drug interaction enough to prescribe drugs that are enormously beneficial to millions of people.

Not a very cogent paragraph, but I will respond to what I think your point is.
Haldol (Halperidol), has been around almost fifty years, and there is not a doubt that it's specific receptor blocking ability effectively fights halucinations and delusions. It is typically used in people with severe disorders. Hardly a case of giving it to people and asking them if they "feel better".

Tell my PhD sister that all her time spent in the university research lab doing brain research was "voodoo". Tell my wife, an amazingly succesful and highly regarded psychologist with twenty years experience treating dozens of children on psychotropic medications that she is merely witnessing the affects of "mind altering crap." With real time brain scans it is now possible to watch the altering of chemical flows in the brain that in turn correct abnormal brain function, due to the administration of drugs. Is this not real science to you or are you simply ignorant of this fact?

Try 10 years, and one of the problems now is too many "real" doctors such as general practitioners can prescribe these drugs. Anyone who lets themselves be treated for a psychological disorder by anyone other than a psychiatrist with state of the art training is not giving themselves the best chance of successful treatment.
All kinds of doctors also prescribe all kinds of medications for all kinds of body ailments that are wrong. Trial and error is part of virtually every medical discipline. Doctors routinely prescribe antibiotics for what turn out to be viral infections, etc. Why do you think psychotropic drugs are an absolute unkown and have no value? You have scratched the surface and formed a conclusion based on just enough information to get yourself into trouble, that's why.

 

meeeeeee tooooooooooooooooooo ...

who said that?

Tom Cruise is awesome.

 

You mean this one ?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XJTM408KGQs&search=tom%20%20cruise

 

lmao!
Hey does anybody have a link to the actual thing? I've never seen it.

 

So now i see the reason for your emotional hothead response. Well since i posted that the lab will develop the successes. i would say to your sister keep up the good work.

I would ask your wife to explain the great tools and "breahthroughs" of her professions recent past, like lobotomy's and shock treatments(ect). Haldol might help some people but is useless for many others. And since i don't harbor any ill will towards anyone i would politely and civilly tell her what i already wrote. Then i would want to hear all about this BS adhd crap. I would refer you to the many exposes done on these and other subjects.

I am sure you can find them on the net. I believe it to be a self perpetuating occupation, but that is not to say that some in it are not genuinely doing their best to help people. And tough crap to you. Call me in a 100 years and tell me exactly how people are being helped, too much placebo effect nowadays.

I don't want to have to dig up all the evidence about people going suicidal and homicidal on some these great drugs available now. Its like going to a practioner and saying my hand hurts and then they smack your foot with a sledge hammer and then they ask you again how your hand hurts. The reason so many MD's probably treat people is their own suspicions about psychiatry.........still voodoo, maybe a science someday in the future


If it were science today it would actually cure people and the method of cure would be understood. Real doctors will tell you that they don't understand everything about cancer but mention they hope to understand it soon and develop ABSOLUTE cures for it that work 100%. They will say they are doing their best. When you phuck with the mind that is not understood, but claim to know what you're doing that is the problem.

 

Really? And how exactly do you know that? We still do not understand painkillers (VIOXX) and you have the brain-drug interaction all wrapped up. Nice!

My take on these drugs (and I have a close family member who is a leading researcher in this field) is that..

1 - Nobody disagrees that there are cases when these drugs are needed
2 - These drugs are WAY overused. Ritalin is not a substitute for good parenting
3 - We are only beginning to understand the severe downside of these drugs, e.g. Ritalin
4 - Popularity of these drugs is because we Americans always look for a pill or magic bullet to cure everything

 

Actuall it was a humorous reponse, but I wouldn't expect you to underatand that subtle distinction.

Shock treatments are still used with success, contrary to your limited understanding. Does this mean it is always necessary, or always correctly prescribed? Of course not.

So now your contradicting yourself again, eh? First you villified ALL psychiatry and ALL psychiatric drugs by saying Tom Cruise is "right on". Now you say Haldol may help people. Which is it? Those are 180 degree statements. Your credibility now sucks, and you continuing reliance on "exposes" shows a propensity for sensationalism in support of your uneductated position.

I have never disagreed that the "occupation" ( I will assume you mean "field")
has people administering medications they shouldn't. There are good and bad, but the fact that the good ones are helping those with mental disorders is so blatantly obvious as to preclude my arguing with you anymore about it. Regarding too much placebo affect, it permeates everything. Ever heard of praying to a non-existant god and then feeling better? Nevertheless, all placebo, no placebo, part placebo; that doesn't obivate any real quantifiable benefits. A chemical reaction in the brain induced by a psychiatric drug which can be quantified by a brain scan is not a placebo.

Wouldn't want to make you dig through all your National Enquirers and TV expose videos. These stories you refer to are for the most part anecdotal, with an extremely small incidince in fact.

I don't know about you, but if my hand hurt and you hit me in the foot, my hand would still hurt.

The reason so many MD's treat is because they think they know what they are doing, plain and simple. They aren't qualified to do it, how about throwing them into you voodoo classification?
The fact is people don't do their due dilligence when they seek psychiatric help. There are also lots of unknowns is psychiatric treatment, I have never said there aren't. That does not invalidate all psychiatrists as you believe.

It DOES cure people, and it is painfully obvious to any objective observer, and of course the method of cure is not fully understood. So what?
A lot of cures for a lot of things aren't fully understand. Do you really think most all medicines are fully understood?

Real doctors in psychiatry and brain research also tell you they don't understand everything about brain function. I have never heard ONE say he did. Will you cite just ONE who has?

I'm going back to work, you can go back to your PBS expose watching.

 

Look up the dictionary definition of "enough". That is the key word in my statement: "We do understand brain-drug interaction enough to prescribe drugs that are enormously beneficial to millions of people. "
And where did I state of even remotely imply that I have the brain-drug interaction all wrapped up? Show me.

Are you learning impaired, just adversarial, or are you a PBS expose fan too?

Very GOOD.

Very good again, show me where I have disagreed with this statemet.

Very good again, show me again where I have disagreed with this statement.

I didn't know this was a popularity of the drug discussion, but once again, show me where I have disagreed with this statement.

You need to read more carefully before you post. Otherwise you might make more invalid claims against others.

 

I would love to go squirt him with water like that guy did just to piss him off. hehehehehe

 

I can't really ever see him being able to not look stupid driving a car like the Veyron, but maybe that's just me.

 

First, you need to learn to be polite and controlled when you discuss something. Name calling does not show high level of maturity.

And...hot off the press for you.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/05/12/paxil.suicide.risk.ap/index.html

You didn't get my point. Look what is happening with VIOXX. My analogy was meant to show you that just saying "enough" does not mean it is true.

Read my post again. What part of "My take on these drugs" do you not understand? Did I say that you disagree with me?

Brilliant! What claims? I made four points (even put a disclaimer saying "My take on these drugs") and considering that in your response you have agreed to all four leaves me very confused.

Maybe you need to up your medication a bit. Try paxil. Just a thought!

 

Polite? Are you my nanny? I didn't think so. Anyway, I'll be polite if I feel like it, and if you want polite go have tea with the neighborhood bridge club. As far as name calling, I haven't called you a name. If I called you a Tom Cruise loving, nonthinking, dimwitted gerbil stuffer that would be name calling. But I didn't.

Uhhhhhhh, what is your point? That there are possible side effects? Just like any medication? Did you read the whole article including the part that said:

"Given that small number, the results "should be interpreted with caution,"?

Did you read the article objectively or just react to the headline? Did you read where the article stated the clinical trial involved 15,000 people suffering from psychiatric disorders including SEVERE DEPRESSION, and that 11 of them attempted suicide (none died)? 11 of 15,000??? Let me spell this out for you in words. Seven TEN THOUSANDTHS of the trial group ATTEMPTED suicide?
Are you saying that any possible negative drug interaction means that an entire field of scientific research and application should be banned? Just wondering.

Make your points more clearly then. And saying something doesn't make anything true. What I said was "We do understand brain-drug interaction enough to prescribe drugs that are enormously beneficial to millions of people. " Which IS true, my saying it didn't make it true.

Now you're getting somewhere.

I have taken Paxil, it saved my life. Fortunately those like you didn't get it banned before I took it. It is an anti-depressant in the SSRI family which you may not know. What is it you are implying that trying Paxil would accomplish?

 

Teak you do have a lot of hostility. Chill out a little. Now where's my deck of cards and my top gun dvd.

 

More like bemused frustration. Anyone who says Tom Cruise is "right on" with his attacks on drugs is either extremely naive or just closed-minded. Whichever you are, enjoy the movie.

 

LMAO!
How long do your pill last? You probably keep a jar at home. I am not saying you "do it" because in all likelihook you are just taking them on orders from your neurophysiologist.

May I recommend Zantac 5000. It makes paxil look like decaf latte. This stuff is all the rage. Soon they will be putting in water like Flouride (I hope only in Boulder). *

* For those who didn't get the joke, watch "Grosse pointe blank". There is an amazing scene with Kusak and Aykroyd where they discuss subtle nuances of mind altering chemicals and unionization.

 

Your ignorance is showing again. Nuerophysiologists can't prescribe drugs. Do you know what a neureophysiologist is?

Paxil is an antidepressant, which is relevant to the thread. Zantac is an ANTACID. Are you that stupid, or are you and Tom Cruise on a crusade against Malox and Mylanta too? Talk about LMAO. Holy **** man, at least learn to use Google.

No more responses to you, as you are completely owned.

 

I did not say it. It was a quote from the movie, if you bothered to read my post. The reference was put explicitly for your benefit, but you missed it. Please try to read, OK?

I did not say it. It was a quote from the movie, if you bothered to read my post.

I think in movie they might have said "Zoloft 5000" and even that may not be a drug. Get it?

I am not on any crusade. But you probably are.

Got back and read my responses. Did I EVER say that these drugs should be banned?

You can ingest as much Paxil or "Zantac 5000 " and I could not care less. In my hierarchy of social evils, it stands far far below tract homes, fake blonds, second hand smoke, and road rage. While I have some concerns and disagree with its benefits, I am not about to ask for it to be banned. I'd rather have people like you in a comatose state with the aid of paxil, instead of on a roof top with a high caliber rifle.

Thanks!

And get a sense of humor. There must be a pill that your neurophysiologist can prescribe.