Dr 9021--Air Marshal

If it wasn't clicking, what his brain was doing before he got a black belt?

 

I couldn't agree more - this guy comes across as a complete tool. I remember his quote after the airplane incident "when you have a blackbelt your instincts just take over" or something to that effect.

No wonder his wife is an anorexic neurotic...

 

Atleast he stood up and did something.

 

Two things come to mind...

First, I never met anyone in all my life who won a fight because they know any sort of martial art. Seriously. 99% of fights end up on the ground and 99% of the time the bigger and stronger person is going to win by a long shot. Every single person who knows martial arts will say thats untrue and puff their chest and talk about how they can beat up almost anyone, but having worked as a bouncer at a strip club I can tell you it is simply not true. Being a big guy and not afraid to throw a real punch wins fights, not doing the crane maneuver on one foot while making some retarded bruce-lee sounds.

Second, on plane disruptions... I was flying to TX for a tradeshow and the guys and girls next to me were "feeling good" (i.e. we had been drinking). So Marv Albert is 2 rows up in front of us and we noticed it... so we teased him the whole time saying things like "back biter!" and then all cracking up. He would just turn every few minutes and scowl at us and we'd look all serious and crack up again. Luckily he didnt know karate or we'd all have been f-ed!

 

The guy was 80 years old - really think the Dr. needed to puff his chest about his martial arts skill?

 

I bet his PR people were quick to the phones but left out the 80-yr old part LOL

 

Actually one of my buddies was an Olympic kick boxer. I saw quite a few guys , very big ones challenge him over the years with disastrous results, for them anyway. They almost always had to go to the hospital and he was usually being easy on them. Most people can't fight which is why I bet you didn't come across many that would give you a hard time. But when you come across a real fighter size is of almost no consequence at all.

I love how they said he had to subdue the octarian with martial arts. Must have been hard for him.

 

What can I say? I just disagree completely. Everyone knows "someone" who is a "real tough guy" and can kick anyones a$$. Invariably, this guy is not super big but in reality is small but very skilled. Everyone knows one of these guys and their friends trump them up to an almost mystical level. Funnily enough, in all my time even meeting tons of such guys, none of them were ever much of a fighter. One very well known case was when Chuck Zito kicked the **** out of Jean Claude Van Damme. Now I know people laugh and call JCVD a fairy, but the guy seriously knows his stuff and none of it mattered in a real fight.

Street fighting is not like a boxing match, its not like a kickboxing match, its not like some martial arts competition. Street fights almost always end up on the ground, and there are no "special moves" that let a little guy dance around a big guy and strike with impunity. Almost all fights end up on the ground and in that situation, the 5'8" 165lb guy is usually going to get creamed by the 6'3" 250lb'er. There is no such thing as a real fight when two guys are circling one another waiting to land a punch and super-martial-arts guy does some flying roundhouse to the neck or some junk. It doesn't happen the way you see in action movies where a martial arts dude is unstoppable.

If size didn't matter, then they would not classify guys by their size and weight in sanctioned competition. They do, why? Because the bigger guys have a huge advantage.

 

Yeah I do agree with you fo the most part. I have just seen him in action so many times in street fights it convinced me. He was 5'7 and 165 and he hurt several guys well above 6'1". They never really had a chance to get close to him usually. His punches were just slightly less devistating than his kicks to the temple. And he could take a punch pretty good as well. We used to go to parties and inevitably some dumbass would hear he was a kickboxer and challenge him. He was a nice guy and tried to avoid it but quite a few times we had to send some dude to the hospital. It was never more than two punches either. But there is a difference between trained fighters and your average joe.

 

I agree a big guy does have certain advantages, but also good number of weaknesses. There isn't a fighting gene that only big guys get. Being big does not make one a good fighter. Your experience may have to do with sample size and environment. Perhaps 99% of the fights in the bar you worked ended as you stated, but yours is not the universal statistic and should not be applied as such. That is like saying you worked at a bar in Sturges and 99% of the people that came into that bar rode bikes, therefore everyone who goes to a bar rides a motorcycle. Your opinion matters, but it is far from fact.

Professional fighters are ranked in classes because they are professionals. A certain degree of skill is assumed. Factor in rules of engagement and yes, a bigger/stronger guy with equal training will have an advantage over a significantly smaller guy.

It sounds like you are suggestion that a big guy, no matter his skill level will outclass a smaller guy. Again, there is no fighting gene. You are suggesting martial art training is worthless against a bigger opponent. That is just silly. Just because some guy lifts weights or had a big mom, doesn't mean he can throw, or even take a punch, choke or poke to the eye.

I certainly respect the personal experience you offer, but honestly any martial artist worth his training won't be throwing punches in a bar to prove he is a man. In that same situation, the guy who took TKD for two years when he was in high school just might. He wouldn't be representative of a trained martial artists. I will admit, if I see two guy getting ready to go, without any other knowledge beyond size, I would feel the bigger man had the advantage. Physical combat training isn't going to automatically change the end result, but it would be foolish to discount the impact.

 

I think that you are putting a little too much faith in the big guy. While I will say that having a significant size advantage is rarely a bad thing, it still does not mean that the big guy is always going to win. What happens when some 6'4" 240LB big guy with bad judgement starts something with say Shane Mosley who is all of 5'9" and 170-180lbs? I know who my money is on. What about said big guy going toe to toe with Bruce Lee who was 5'7" and 135-145lbs soaking wet with boots on. Now I know that these examples are a tad extreme but the point I'm trying to make is that a trained little guy can put a whole lotta hurt on bigger guys who may not be so well trained.

Now when you have two equally capable fighters then yes the larger opponent will have the advantage. But to say that the big guy always has the advantge is just wrong.

EDIT: On topic, Dr. 90210 is a tool.

 

He is a freakin toolbag!!!

 

Do you guys think that some of that goofy stuff he does on the show is an act?

 

what "goofy stuff" He's just a tool. I loved his black belt test when he was so padded up, he looked like the marshmellow man. His wife is such a cry baby B.

 

I hate to get into discussions about the martial arts on the internet because it is usually pretty silly, but I just cannot help myself sometimes.

The above statemantis all correct. Training is everything. There is a reason the old saying says: "The bigger they are, the harder they fall". That isn't to say that size has no advantage, but speed and knowledge is everything, no matter how big you are. One shot to the right spot and you go down, no matter how large you are.

Dr. 90210 is an idiot. The "black belt" statement shows he really, really knows nothing. MOST schools (even the lame ones, which is most of them) give you your black belt when you have a good grasp of the basics. Basic punching and kicking, but that is about it. Even if you spend 5 years getting that first black belt, you still rarely know much of anything. Unfortunatly, most new black belts do not realize this. There is an analogy I like to use: If Karate was a book, then when you get your black belt, you have opened the first page.

Also, JCVD does NOT, I repeat, NOT know what he is doing. He has very little actual MA training. Sure he is flexible, but so is your average ballarina.

JPF - 19 years training, Okinowan Shorin-Ryu.