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What will the FIA do about Renault?

Discussion in 'F1' started by tifosi12, Jun 12, 2006.

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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Get rid of the two engine rule and reduce aeros. Yes.

    Slowing the cars by 5% (or more) will happen automatically with one tire supplier.

    MS fiddling with the electronics squeezing the last bit of performance out of the car for each corner I actually like. MS was once asked whether electronics have taken away from the driver skill and he said, not really: It just changed the way of how the game is played, but in order to be top, you still need to that extra bit that separates you from the loosers. He does that and although we see less of his other skills (e.g. car control in the wet, now made "easy" with traction control and the like), we see him adjusting the electronics. And being able to do that at high speeds, on the limit requires that extra brain power, which he has as he drives the car "with his spine". That's one of the things that sets him apart from other drivers: Controlling the car at the limit is something he does "in the sleep", which is why he has enough time and concentration to think about race strategy, communicate with the pits and fiddle with the manettinis. Whereas I can only fiddle with the Martinis. :)
     
  2. axemansean

    axemansean Formula Junior

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    Here is a reality check, the points system is helping Ferrari right now. So if FIA changed it back to the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system then Ferrari would be in even worse shape.
     
  3. Remy Zero

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    can't the drivers overrev the engines now? it's not auto, they are shifting it manually with their fingers....
     
  4. tifosi12

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    No, it is actually "fly by wire": They press a button to switch a gear. That button electronically activates the clutch, blips the engine (on downshift) and switches the gears up or down as requested. You can't really screw that up. You command the action, but there is a computer in between. That's also the reason why the keep their gas foot planted on upshifts. The computer controls the action and takes away the gas as necessary during the upshift.
     
  5. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    What happens if they hold the car at 180mph and try downshifting to say 1st gear? In my 6sp car, all hell would break loose including the back end :) Would the computer on their car not allow them to make that shift?

    Edit: I downshifted from 5th to 2nd in my car by accident once and the car jumped to redline (rev limiter in my car) and the rear wheels locked up.
     
  6. tifosi12

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    Interesting question. I bet Ide could answer that for you. :)

    I'd think the rev limiter would start to kick in and you loose so much torque that you decelerate.
     
  7. classic308

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    -Remove all electronic driver aids

    -raise the car a minimum of 2 inches; reduce wing size, reduce tire width.

    -1000 cc 4 cylinder turbos with controlled pop-off valve so that boost is limited in qualifying as well as the race-no boost games like in the 80s....

    The eight cylinder rule is a joke-could have just restricted the 10s and saved big everyone big $$$...

    Just my .02 cents..
     
  8. Remy Zero

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    very true...plus, a restricted V10 is also much more reliable...saying $$ there as well
     
  9. tifosi12

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    Well in FIA's goals triangle (cost-safety-entertainment) they have shot themselves into the foot again: The reason for the V8 was cost savings and now it looks as if they compromised safety: To not loose torque the drivers now go flat through turns and the cornering speeds are up.
     
  10. Remy Zero

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    and may i add? more strain on the driver's necks cos of higher speeds thru the corners? ;)
     
  11. classic308

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    Agree-and that's why they need to make SERIOUS aero changes to the cars asap. Love the argument that the cars would be too fast down the straights if the wings are reduced; that's bs as the cars will be much slower coming out of the corners....
     
  12. kizdan

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    Make 'em race on 3 wheels!
     
  13. tifosi12

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    Interesting idea:

    Leave the rear wheels in place and have only one central wheel in the front for turning. Obviously you loose mechanical grip on the front, but you reduce aero drag big time and end up with a much smoother airflow. Would they really be that slower? I suppose front breaks would have to be doubled.
     
  14. kizdan

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    With the speed that these engineers advance at, probably not!
     

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