Factory Restoration of 1983 308GTS 45563

Great post Dave, nice job summing up this wanker,

I just saw this Matteo poster got himself banned. Apparently he has created numerous posts similiar about restoring basket cases and then found to be making them up. He started his first post as "today I started the process" what a joke, no clue on costs but he was starting!! Guess you hit the nail on the phoney!! I know a guy who might know who this individual might be, guess the individual is a real attention whore, that is sad, I try to take the high road in life, but some people just stir stuff up all the time.

Is this at all possible or even feasible to send a car back? What the heck would be the shipping, my guess $5,000-$10,000. Cars in containers take beatings frequently, I would venture to believe that there would be a service that would move the vehicle and not be so harsh on it, but at a premium!!


Guy is called on starting this stupid thread, pure childish;
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112289



BTW, I too am not against restoring a 308, in fact I am all for it, they are truly part of many peoples hearts, including mine!!, wish I would have kept it for the memories....but this individual Matteo has a history of BS and isn't going to do it.

 

As I said earlier, owners SERIOUS about factory restorations do it with blank checkbooks......not guys raiding their kid's college fund

 

Wow. 13,629 posts and then gets thrown off the board.

 

I read this is like his third or fourth ban!! Makes you wonder how much phoney stuff he posted that the server is saving!!

I think Asianbond summed it up awesome;

FACTORY RESTORATIONS ARE DONE WITH BLANK CHECKS, not by a guy working at a canning factory on a production line (forgot were someone made mention of that)

I truly feel sorry for Fchat storing all this kind of garbage.

 

Just a temp ban for posting private personal info about someone during a flame war with another user. The ban is unrelated to this thread.

He should have the estimate by the time the ban expires, we should probably let this rest until he can post that estimate

 

Wouldn't a "restoration" be a complete tear down and rebuild with new or refurbished parts? Anything less would be the same as sending the car back to the factory for repairs not restoration.

 

Yes, I am saying that it's not worth it. It's like the kid that buys a '01 Supra and dumps $20K into it. He still has a $5K car. I have owned two 308's. One that did not need a thing and another that I put $20K+ into and it was still worth $20K when I sold it! Would I like to have that $20K back in my pocket? Hell yes! Was I STUPID for buying a $15K 308 and putting $20K+ into it? YES!

Unless Matt has a LOT of disposable income to throw away, IMO, he is out of his mind to even think about such an idea. It's just an absolute waste of money that he will not have a lot to show for it. Is that a prudent move in todays economy? I think not! Maybe in the Mid 90's when a lot of us were making obscene amounts of money, but not today!

 

I have nothing constructive to add, i know what a suprise, but this thread cetainly has taken a life of its own.

 

So thatis the easy way to 10,000+ posts. A bicker war with a limit of 6 words per post. Dumb.

BT

 

I have a '83 308 QV too and Matt ahs been very helpful to me..these cars get to you and take on an individual personality (it is creepy) that makes just getting another 308 out of the question.."your 308" means something...as mentioned, Mercedes is doing these classics resto's, I think there is a program for factory "new" Datsun 240Z's resto's..why not ferrari, imagine driving a "new" factory restored 308..it would be one hell'uve benchmark...and would immortalize that guy's 308...being practical never figured into the f-car equation...being certifiably insane has!

 

Anyone in S. CA that wants this type of restoration done and has not visited Bobileff in San Diego has missed the boat. A serious person could spend about $20K tops, save money and have just as much retail value as they would if they had smoked a bunch of crack, emptied the 401K and shipped their precious car off to Italy!

 

Seriously, I am all for preserving the 308/328 line because it is my favorite group of cars ever made, bar none. That being said, I can't see the upside of sending a car to Italy and having it done. It's not like the restoration would be only slightly ridiculous. It would be mind-numbingly obscene! I bet for what it would cost to have his one 308 "factory certified" he could buy a 99 point show car 308 and a beater for spares. Plus, when Matt bought his car from FoBH, didn't he say that it was basically restored by them before he took delivery? How much more could the car really need? I think Dave Handa hit the nail on the head here.

 

I agree.

Restoration implies to me, " Nut & bolt ""frame off "or equivlalent with a unibody car. Bare metal for sure. We all know what was underneath the paint of our 308 when it left the factory. Usually large amounts of filler!
I wonder if the factory would fill this with metal during this "restoration"?
I doubt it? That would be many many many man hours to do so. I wonder what the factory labor rate is for such a thing? $150 an hr? $200? Can be done locally for much less.

There are plenty of quality craftsman that can match and exceed the quality of Ferrrari body work and paint here in Socal. The same goes for the rest of the car. Francorchamps, Eugenios, Bell's Autobody Werks and Bobiloff to name a few. I also would want to be close enought to the car to inspect, document and evaluate the work as the project progressed. Certainly not 4000 miles away.

It will be interesting if Ferrari quotes a price and for what? I see nothing wrong with putting cash into your Ferrari if there is some sort of cost/benefit rationalization. This appears to be without logic or reason?
From what I gather the car is pretty clean now for those who have seen it?
If that is the case it does not make sense at all and the full of crap MASTER WARNING is flashing once again on F-chat.

I guess I could get a load of crticism for putting 40k+ into my own 308 in mods and improvements To me it is worth very penny every time i press the gas pedal and see the look on the face in the car behind me in my rearview mirror. priceless! At least i have a tangible gain for doing such a crazy thing.


Cheers

and who owns the Red TR in Fallbrook? I am down on the farm and heard than saw a TR turn off of Mission today at noon. Looked very clean. Nice car!

 

how long is the Matteo ban?

 

He never apologized to me. Im sure he could have gotten a hold of me since Ive been a member here for a long time and my phone number never changed since he offered to sell the boxer to me for $82K. We spoke (Matt Lemus) many times by phone as friends as I have with other members here as well and the potential to buy his boxer just happened. We hammered out a deal, he told me how he was injured in an accident which made him free of debt, able to own multiple ferraris and how he was considering a new home for (I forget the amount) some large sum and so on. Fine, I dont care but he did offer the boxer to me but right after the agreed price, things got messy for him on the site and his lies came out. The whole 250TDF he owned (never did) also made him look stupid and sent him into hiding again. I fail to understand how any person without a brain injury can come up with the load of cow dung Matt has rather than just keep their imagination under control. People like Matt p i s s off others and some of those "victims" dont forget. I never will and the people that say just let it go havent been touched by Matt like I or others have. If they had been , they would kick the crap out of him if they ever met him. Unfortunately I havent met him yet.

And by the way Matt, you are a moron, count on $100K +, I should know.

 

When I was at the factory last Tuesday and they showed us the paint building, I remember thinking "wouldn't it be cool to take my 308, completely stripped and send it through the same paint process as the new cars?". Dipped in some anti-rust bath (forget the name), primered, computer painted, and bake the finish then clear coat. Wow, it would look incredible.

Then I came back to earth and realized they'd want north of $20k for it. No way it comes in under $100k from the factory.

 

Ahhh..just the man we were waiting for..I remember you telling me about this, you were NOT a happy camper. I was waiting for your reply to this thread!

 

After being at the Ferrari Historic races at Road America, I really think the resto program is inteded for those kinds of cars. Ferrari wants to get the old sport racer, certify them, and restore them for big money. Difference being they are worth $2-3M.

I really don't think it would be profitable for Ferrari to try to restore run of the mill 3X8's. I would be really surprised if they even respond or are willing to talk, regardless of whether Matt would go through with it.

Further why would you want go through a certification when you already have all the service records and owner records. Again for run of the mill 3X8's it does not seem to me it would increase it's value much. It's a Ferrari 308, why do you need the factory to tell you that?

 

Both of my 77 308 are filled with lead, not "bondo".

As these cars were in thier day sold for like $60K plus when new, by todays standards a factory rebuilt and certified 308 should command a pretty decent price. Maybe Ferrari could beat everyone in labor and parts costs and surprise everyone. I would imagine given the 30 years since they built them, they would do a most first class job.

 

Aren't all the spare parts for these cars at Ferrari UK (the Owners site) ??

 

Are you telling us that Ferrari did not use non metal fillers from the factory on the 308? Your whole car is metal?

never said "bondo" I used the term "filler" since there are so many dirivatives of fillers metal and non alike. I do not know the specific brand of "filler" Ferrari used on my car, but I will verify that there is non metal filler all over the place. Not very thick, but nevertheless "filler".

 

High build primer is a filler as well and they sure have a boat load of it on them. Might as well be called bondo in a spray can, its the only way to make an old ferrari straight.

 

Peter, man you need to go price Supras! Tell me where I can get one for $5K and I'll buy it right now.

(Sorry, couldnt resist! )

 

Man, I love 308's... but to send one to the factory for a restoration means one of 3 things:

1. You have money to burn, literally
2. The car has some sentimental value (and #1)
3. You are a moron

 

For sure!