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Is it my starter motor?

Discussion in '308/328' started by Perfusion, Jul 10, 2006.

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  1. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

    Jun 20, 2003
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    Completely impractical and actually near impossible on a 308. The solenoid is with the starter at the front bottom of the engine, accessible only from underneath.

    As for chargers, you should completely charge a new battery before installation. If the battery needs major charging, a trickle charger/tender isn't up to tha task. Go to Sears and get a real charger. A tender is just for maintaining a good battery.

    I think you probably have an alternator/regulator issue which has discharged the battery.

    Get the voltages Milton suggests.

    Birdman
     
  2. BillyD

    BillyD Formula 3
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    Feb 28, 2004
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    I'm still putting my money on battery cable connections. Scrape inside of connectors b4 attaching to battery. Verify negative cable attachment at frame clean & tight.
    Bill
     
  3. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

    Oct 16, 2004
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    Okay...here were the values from this morning:

    Before start -- 13.0
    After Start (RPM @ 5-600ish, cold) -- 12.3
    RPMs @ 1000 -- 12.3
    RPMs @ 2000 -- jumped up to 13, 13.1, 13.2, 13.3, 13.31, .32, .33, etc.

    By then, I signaled to the wife to go ahead and let off - at least it was charging. Just not down low.

    We took the car for an ~80 mile drive today, with a few stops throughout the morning where the car was shut off. Never had any issues restarting. Car ran pretty well, considering the heat today - temperatures were all just about spot-on where they should be (dead center of the gauge), except for one brief period where we had a looooong, slooooow climb up a twisty hill road (senior citizens in their Grand Marquis 5 cars ahead) that caused the oil temp to go a little right of center, but not too much.

    All in all, I was very happy with the car's performance today. Upon arriving back home and shutting the car down in the garage, I took a reading again at the battery, and it was 12.56. I used the "quick disconnect" on the battery, and so that's that!

    We'll see where things go in the future... I still think my alternator *should* be charging the battery at 1000RPM and up. If that's not characteristic of Ferrari alternators, I want it to be on mine... What good will it do me if I get caught in a horendous traffic jam <cough>ConcorsoItaliano<cough> and have to sit at idle for an extended period of time if my charging system no worky?
     
  4. ylshih

    ylshih Shogun Assassin
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    Mar 21, 2004
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    The latest info sounds better as far as battery and alternator state is concerned, so it was probably just a new battery that had a low charge. When you first said the battery stayed at 11.6V after charging, I assumed you were talking about a typical 2A/10A charger and that would indicate a bad battery. However, if it was one of those fractional amp trickle chargers, then that wouldn't be much charging at all.

    When you measure your battery under charge, you should see between 13-14V, that is the extra voltage needed to put a charge on the battery. On its own with no charging voltage, a fresh battery should settle around 12.6V. Anything below 12V indicates the battery is almost completely discharged or is faulty, such as a bad cell. An automotive battery that is deep discharged can also sustain some structural damage to the plates that will lead to early failure eventually, so it's something to be avoided.

    A normal auto battery is designed to run between 50% and 100% charge for maximum life. It will self discharge at about 2-5% per month (assuming the electrical system doesn't add additional load due to snoozing electronics common in modern cars) if left alone; a trickle charger is intended to compensate for this low loss rate and charges at a similarly low rate. Starting the car will also cost about 2-5% each cranking cycle. It probably takes 10-15 hours on a charger (or alternator) to bring a battery up to 100% from low charge (depending on the capacity of the battery and age), so the typical charging system works to recharge at about 6-10% of the battery capacity per hour.

    So, if you start with a fully charged battery and drive it once a week or more, then 15-30 minutes of driving makes up for the discharge due to starting the car and the self-discharge is negligible. But if you drive it once a month for 30 minutes, or start and restart it often with a few miles per start, then you would be on the deficit side as far as charging is concerned and not be fully recharging it and eventually end up at 0 charge. An old battery probably loses more and takes longer to charge too.

    As far as battery discharge at low idle, once you start the car, the car should be running mostly from the alternator and only be draining the battery if you have an unusually high load (fan, headlights, stereo, etc) and low RPM (so if you're worried, start turning unnecessary things off). Otherwise, a good drive (such as down to Monterey) should fully charge a good battery and you shouldn't have any problems.
     
  5. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

    Oct 16, 2004
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    Great info, Yin! I got quite a lesson on battery ins-and-outs! I think my problem might have been perfectly described in your 4th paragraph. The last two drives I had taken in the GT4 were on successive Saturday mornings from home to Santana Row, and then back home later in the morning. Certainly not a long distance for me (<1mile), and no other driving in between. I suppose that two weeks of that, back-to-back with little else, was enough to prevent the battery from getting the complete charge that it needed. It seems as though I have found my "problem" - a common one with Ferraris, it seems, and the solution is easy: Drive the damn car!!!!
     

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