800 HP 780 ft-lb Torque 90 degree V-12 600 cid 1 Motec ECU Runs on pump gas Benefits MODERN ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION NO BELTS Low weight, 500 lbs as pictured http://www.falconerengines.com/ Image Unavailable, Please Login
You would end up with an extra 8.8" of engine on the R/H side of the engine bay and as far as cost? I am guessing 30 to 40k USD for the engine. It would be cheaper to buy a nice Testarossa when all is said and done. Ideally, the best way to install is to stretch the frame and mount the engine longitudinally like the 288 GTO. A fun exercise in engineering
A GTO is a 4" stretch....that would need 12 or 13" of stretch. Now an old 500ci caddy motor would easily fit....I got one in a fiat x1/9, so I now the 308 would be much easier. Easier yet is is boosting the bajesus out of the stock engine. I don't think I'm going to hit 800 on my new engine, but I'm pretty confident it will clear 700 on pump gas with a stock or better idle and drivability
Are you sure? It's only 36.5" long (from front accessory pulley) and if you moved all of the accessories to the back of the engine?? Maybe only a 6 or 8" stretch? Time to do some sketches. It just wouldn't be the same without the song of the V12. My dad and I heard a couple of these engines do a few "flyby's" in some scale P-51's at the Arlington/EAA Fly In a few weeks ago. What a fabulous sound!! It would be a blast to design a mid-engine car around this engine, maybe a modern day interpretation of a Testarossa ala James Glickenhaus. They make a 1000 HP/1000 ft lb version of this and some twin supercharged. Here are basic specs and dimensions, FALCONER V-12 HIGH PERFORMANCE PRODUCTION RACE ENGINE SUPPLEMENTAL FACT SHEET WEIGHTS & MEASURES - 600 CID - 522 LBS. - 4.125 BORE - 3.750 STROKE - 23.5 WIDE; 23 HIGH; 36.5 LONG (WIDTH FROM CRANKSHAFT CENTER LINE) (LENGTH TO FRONT ACCESSORY DRIVE PULLEY) - ALUMINUM BLOCK & HEADS PERFORMANCE Running Race Gas: - 1100 HP AT 6500-7000 RPM NORMALLY ASPIRATED - 1200-1600 HP SUPERCHARGED OR TURBOCHARGED PACKAGE Each engine is dyno tested upon completion and base price includes the following: - ECU - DRY SUMP - INDEPENDENT RUNNER MANIFOLD - DIRECT FIRE IGNITION SUPERCHARGER OR TURBOCHARGER ADDITIONAL I never did hear what your final numbers were on the last engine. Did you ever get the FI dialed in? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wait a minute, where are all of the cries of "HERESY!!!!"? 6 replies so far and not a peep. Maybe there's a little HIPOCRISY on FerrariChat, huh? Come on Ferrari snobs, defend your integrity here and whine and cry about the thought of putting a non-Ferrari engine in one of Enzo's masterpieces!
I think that because it's a V-12, not a Chevy V-8, the idea is intriguing to more people. I personally think this is a perfect engine for that 308 we talked about a few weeks ago that was missing an engine! Oh wait a minute....HERESY! WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING??? Birdman
truth be told, if it doesn't have a Ferrari engine, it ain't a Ferrari. to paraphrase Enzo- i don't sell cars , i sell engines. the body is just an expensive engine cover.
In truth, that's essentially a Chevy V-12. And I don't get it either -- the Turbine Testa project gets kudos, but heaven forbid that one put Detroit iron in a 308.
I was just going by your post that said And just did the math. The GTO engine is tight with the 4" stretch, so if there is an additional 8.8", you'll need around 12.8". 420 rwhp, so maybe 510ish at the crank. I did get it running pretty well. I finally tracked my problems to the ECU. I installed a haltech E11v1 that I got a GREAT deal on. The v1s were recalled because they didn't work with a motronics trigger so haltech had about 500 scrap v1s. The guy I but from bought a few to give them a try with appliactions that didn't use a motronics trigger. I was using a haltech trigger, so we figured it would be fine...it wasn't. They had had good luck with inductively triggered engines, so I switched and got it running pretty well....but I was the only one running it sequentail and on the street and we found that as the unit got hot, the home trigger (cam position) would begin interfering with the main trigger and cause the timing to advance about 90 degrees, causing it to detonate at idle and drop a cylinder or 2. I'm going to install an E11v2 or a maybe a motec M8...probably the haltech because it's cheaper and does everything the motec does. but first I've got to finish porting the heads and put the engine back together and in the car. Image Unavailable, Please Login
If you look closely at the first picture you will see a water pump that looks suspiciously like a GM item. I still wouldn't have a problem with it. The Falconer website says it will bolt up to a Chevy bellhousing. I guess that says it all. It's all aluminum and it sounds like a V12 should. If I had a 308 that was the refugee of an engine bay fire I wouldn't hesitate.
So right!. That's the movement of the motor mount from stock position on a standard Chev V8. I guess I need to brush up on my math. A noble project. I would be happy with another 100 to my rear wheels much less 200+ as you have done. I wish you had a cost effective kit for this mod.
Fine, I'll pull the Ferrari badges but it will still be called what it is by the public, a Ferrari (even if it is bastardized). What else would a person call it? A Chevy? A Falconer? I am saying this in the context of playing the Devil's Advocate, not necessarily my own personal feelings.
I think the 1000 HP version would be a hot upgrade for a tired neglected TR, like the white one from Hawaii that was slapped around the inside of a shipping container for a week. IIRC it didn't run right due to a "mysterious" electrical problem. It would be better if it sat in a junk yard? Is there a link to the Turbine Testa?
Even if no one cares that it's not a Ferrari, it's a pushrod engine. I know some people love those, they are compact, etc., but that's a far cry from anything Ferrari ever tried.
Scott is working on a very basic SC kit that should be under $6k. It won't add any bottom end, but should work wonders on top. I'm looking at the heats now. I believe that a stock QV engine fitted with efi and properly ported heads should make 335-345hp. Fit you can remove and replace the heads yourself, that would be around $6k too. For some reason I keep thinking that every 2 years I need to add 50% more hp.....it's starting to get hard to find more hp, but it looks like there's a lot to be had in the heads.
I am running a '78 carb engine. It would be nice to do a straight bolt on without disassembly of the long block. How would the kit work with that?
I remeber when they came out with this engine years ago. basicly 2 chevy 6 cylinders bolted together to make the twelve. Obviously its not that basic, but the design was based on that model. yes its a chevy engine and chevy engine parts..cool none the less.
You're thinking of the Twin-Six, which was a cast-iron motor. This thing is a new aftermarket casting and seems to be very different Twin-Six: http://www.6066gmcguy.org/TwinSix.htm
Ahhh yess..my bad your right. But since we are on the topic..Do you remeber the hotrodder that built the V16 from 2 chevy V8's about 10 years ago?? Him and the engine were on the cover of HotRod magazine. I have tried to find the magazine but I must have threw it out..bummer..would have been cool to look at right now.
Well, your 2 choices are to install an FI intake and use Scott's SC kit or port yuor heads and use 76-77 cams. Just changing to the early cams should give you 30-40 hp, but you may need an afermarket exhaust too to see it all.
The FI and SC kit sounds like the fun way to go. Will the 2 valve FI intake bolt my heads? I'm already running ANSA sport exhaust with no cats. When will the kits be ready?
