Renault asks the FIA to let them use their mass damper . .

FIA give Renault 'mass damper' reprieve

Renault will re-fit the controversial but potentially critical 'mass damper' system to its R26 car in Budapest, according to reports.

Although the FIA and the stewards at Hockenheim disagreed about the legality of the device, Charlie Whiting has assured the French team in a letter that retrospective penalties are unlikely to be handed down.

It is open to debate what effect the removal of the system had on Renault's pace in Germany, but La Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy claims that Fernando Alonso became accustomed to its feel since it debuted on the blue car last September.

It is also notable that, oddly, Renault was not the quickest Michelin-clad runner last Sunday, as both McLaren and Honda appeared to take a comparative step forward.

McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh commented : ''Some people rely on mass dampers more than others.''

Ron Dennis, meanwhile, explained that the silver team's complicated - but legal - suspension on the MP4-21 racer emulates the effect of the device.

''I think we know where the problem is,'' Renault's director of engineering told the Telegraph, thus denying that mass dampers contributed to Renault's loss of pace in Germany.

It is possible, though, that the system contributed less directly to the pace of the R26, but rather had an effect on how it interacts with the tyres, which blistered more aggressively on the Renault than on other Michelin-shod cars.

Source GMM
CAPSIS International

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So long story short:
1) There is no conspiracy to stop Renault from winning the championship
2) Renault are going to continue to use illegal equipment
3) Congratulations Renault... you know how to cry your way to another farce championship!

 

As I understand it, BMW followed the standard procedure:
1> Inform Whiting what they are planning,
2> get approval,
3> spend lot of money designing, building and testing it
4> race with it
5> get banned



Again I hate this process, but please show me where this is different than the mass damper. In BMW's case, the FIA clamined it blocked the driver's vision, even though the guys who actually drove the cars claimed it wasn't an issue!

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As for the reinstating of the device, it will still be decided by the court of appeal, meaning it could still be banned, but there will be no retroactive penalties so they are free to use it till that ruling is made. As for Hungary, Renault said they are going to revert to their old rear suspension design, which is a a major variable in the performance outside of the mass damper.

 

It's different because the system was used all last year. This year it was used for most of the season and it gets banned now? BMW only had the towers on for one race, there is the difference. And now the ban looks like it's been reversed. Whiting was wrong the whole time.

 

It was a stupid ban in the first place. Whiting's own stewards didn't agree with it. Now if Ferrari wins you can say that they won without having anything banned. You should be happy. Maybe they can get the whole car banned. Or wait better yet FA too and Kimi in case he signs somewhere else.

 

again, the ban was not reversed yet, but the decision has been postponed and they can race with it till then, http://www.formula1.com/race/news/4738/763.html:

"The FIA Court of Appeal will rule on whether the race stewards were correct to overturn the FIA’s earlier decision or whether mass dampers should indeed be banned. However, because of the back-to-back German and Hungarian races, the hearing will have to take place after this weekend. On account of this delay, the FIA are reported to have recommended that all teams running mass dampers at the Hungaroring will not be punished - even if the device is subsequently banned at the Court of Appeal hearing."

 

I am always happy... I am proven right again.

1) There was no conspiracy to stop Renault.
2) Renaut will continue to use illegal equipment.
3) Renault will continue to deploy unethical team order to stop Fisichella from challenging Alonso.
4) Michelin will continue to use unethical and unsafe technology to develop riskier tyres.

If Renault win again they would have won another farce championship where they are allowed to use illegal equipment.

If Scuderia Ferrari win, even though the FIA allows Renault to race with illegal equipment, they will silence the critics once again and prove once again that they are the best team in F1.

 

When are you ever right? Obviously Charlie Whiting wanted to change something on the Renault to give Ferrari a chance. Too bad he couldn't come up with something better or get the stewards behind him. He was a full of s*** as you are.

 

Yes bring on the conspiracy theories... here we go again...

The whole world does not want Renault to win again... the FIA, Charlie Whiting, Max , Bernie... they all want Renault to be defeated. You are the one who is full of it.

Before you decide what Charlie Whiting is full of read about his roll and past achievements:

Charlie Whiting is FIA Formula One Race Director, Safety Delegate, Permanent Starter and head of the F1 Technical Department, in which capacities he generally manages the logistics of each F1 Grand Prix, inspects cars in Parc Ferme before a race, enforces FIA rules, and controls the lights which start each race.

His first job was preparing his brother Nick in preparing saloon and rally cars near the Brands Hatch racing circuit in England. In the mid seventies the brothers were running at Surtees in the 1976 British F5000 series for race driver Divina Galica. For the 1977 season Whiting joined Hesketh Racing at Easton Neston, near Silverstone. Following the demise of the team, he joined Brabham at Weybridge, where he would stay for the following decade, becoming chief mechanic for the World Championship successes of 1981 and 1983 and later rising to chief engineer. In 1988 he became Technical delegate to the FIA Formula 1 and in 1997 he was appointed FIA Race Director and Safety Delegate.

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So what have been your past achievements?

Under what form of authority can you claim that Charlie Whiting got it worng?

Remember, that they have allowed to Renault to use this illegal equipment pending an appeals decsion.

 

Yes Charlie Whiting was so right both his stewards and he himself changed his mind and are allowing them to run it. There is something wrong when the race stewards disagree with you. Now his about face just makes him look more wrong. Your argument, once again, is full of hot air. For all the BS you write you still look like an idiot. Well done.

 

Please can you tell us what is your source? What is your source that Charlie Whiting has changed his mind?

Please refrain from making up stories as they are not based in fact.

Also get the story right. The FIA had banned the use of the mass damper and the race stewarts at Hockenheim deemed it legal. But the FIA has since then appealed the decision. Renault chose not to include the illegal equipment in their car. Since then the FIA has assured Renault that they will not be penalized for past results untill the appeal is heard and a conclusive decision is given.

Learn to read the below "Charlie Whiting has assured the French team in a letter that retrospective penalties are unlikely to be handed down."

Charlie Whiting himself has not changed his mind. So if he has... give us your source?

 

If something gets banned then unbanned then someone has changed his mind or had it changed for him don't you think? Even a dolt like you should be able figure that out.

 

Wow Luis, owned by Imperial, shame on you.

 

Lol, Good one. Who's he owning? He has no arguement. The FIA said Renualt can use the system. If Whiting was so sure it was Illegal it would have stayed banned. All his jibber jabber doesn't mean anything as usual. He answered his own question. Whiting himself said there would be no penalty for using the system.

 

Yes, Ferrari and MS are the very essential of all that is evil in this world. They actually don't do any testings to improve their cars nor does MS actually possess any driving skills. All they do is living in the FIA office and b**ch about other teams to get varies devices banned. One of such rules is the anti-smoking law in all public places or resturants, even if place is clearly indicated as a Cigar Bar.

Last but not least, MS's 7 farcical WDC are all hallow victories. That's why Ruben and Eddie both won WDC as soon as they left Ferrari because they are the ones that knows how to develop cars and knows how to pull a team together. MS was just there for the ride, lucky bastard, and nothing more. Notice how Massa is doing the same thing now, he has been carrying MS and the team on his back this whole year to all the wins and podium finishs.

PS: Q: Who will win, Senna vs. Hurricane Katrina vs. Da Bears vs. God?? A: Senna, but God may give Senna a run for his money.

PPS: According to Ferrari and MS, there IS no Easter Bunny and they KILLED KENNY!!!!!

 

Lol. Nobody said all that. Funny...

 

What is your source? Give me your source that says Charlie Whiting has changed his mind?

If he had changed his mind there would have been no appeal. Whiting has only stated that there will be no retrospective penalties so that Renault can continue to use their illegal system without the fear of being penalized untill the appeals decision is finalized.

Please refrain from making up stories and stick to fact.

 

I'm going to send this to you through my toaster so you can pick it up on your tin foil hat, typing it is plain english doesn't seem to be working.

 

What are you kidding? With ever word you write you only prove yourself more stupid.

 

I am asking you for a source.

Where did you read that Charlie Whiting changed his mind?

Did Charlie Whiting send you a letter? Can you show us the copy of that letter?

Are you two poker buddies? Can you ask him to come and tell us he has changed his mind?

What is your source?

 

Banned, now unbanned = changed mind in my, or most rational people's books. I don't need to give you a source. The decision is source enough. Once again, a person with any level of intelligence would see that but i guess i'm giving you too much credit.

Besides that aren't you the same person that claimed to have gone to a GP and watched from the elite suites one year? When asked for pics or proof, neither came. Yeah that was you wasn't it. As full of crap as ever.

 

It was never unbanned. You still do not have the story right. The FIA has banned it. The race stewarts decided they were legal.

In either case, the discussion is not about my personal pictures. We are all still waiting for a source.

What is your source that Charlie Whiting has changed his mind?

 

Indeed, in 2005, but don't hold your breath.

 

No source that Charlie Whiting has changed his mind?

We are still waiting, racerx3317, perhaps your friend bernardo66 could find the source for you?

 

Ok, so. Something is banned, then the teams are told well, ok use it we'll have a pissing, errr sorry, meeting about it in september and if we do ban it there won't be any penalty at all? What the heck would you call that?

 

No pics from the elite suites either, maybe your buddy can help you, oh wait you have no friends. Sorry