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  1. jssans

    jssans Formula Junior

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    Has anyone fixed the sticky throttle issue with F355's. I have searched & read many posts here & I still have not found the cure. I just replaced my throttle cable today. I lubricated it & put some heat sheilding around the exposed cable in the engine bay before installation. Still sticking. I have a 1995 F355. Has anyone found a cure?
     
  2. AZLambo

    AZLambo Formula Junior

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    I've tried it all. I replaced the circular throttle cable assembly on top of the
    engine, lubed cable, etc. etc..

    It is a "vacuum-thing" when opening the throttle. It is especially apparent at slower speeds.

    Not much you can do.

    AZFerrari
     
  3. f355spider

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    Well, I have driven a couple 95's and they did not do this...so not all of them do it...so there might be some way around it.
     
  4. jssans

    jssans Formula Junior

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    I greased the ball casing which connectes to the throttle cable during installation. Every thing moves smoothly. I am also starting to look in the direction of vacuum. The only thing I can think of is cleaning the throttle bodies for carbon build up. I guess I'll try that next Sunday. Its hard to imagine a engine producing that much vacuum.
     
  5. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    The most common "throttle" problem on Ferraris is the floor mats pressing against the accelerator pedal.

    Seriously.
     
  6. Ricard

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    Mine is perfect whenever it comes back from service, starts to stick a little bit when due for next service - maybe its a mechanical service indicator :D
     
  7. f355spider

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    Not the 1995 355 specific "sticky throttle" issue. This is very different...it relates to the "tip in" as you first depress the throttle....it will be a bit jerky and difficult to modulate smoothly.
     
  8. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

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    Its a vac. issue and cleaning / adjusting the throttle plates eliminates it. I have heard the linkage mods help but I believe that is a bandaid repair bypassing the origional cause.
    Dave
     
  9. Llenroc

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    Mr. Helms is correct(as usuaul hahaha), get monometer and spend some time balancing the throttle plates and adjusting the bypass screws, it appears to be a vacuum balance problem between the outer and inner sides of the throttle plates. Please, Dave or Brian correct me if I am incorrect here but it seemed to work for me om my CH car. It feels like a sticking throttle but it is not, if you sit at idle and bump the throtttle a bit with your foot it should rev fine. it only happened on my car when I was in gear and moving the car and stepping into the throttle ie; engine being under load. Regards, Vern
     
  10. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

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    Depends on the amount of carbon build up and how the throttle plates are adjusted. Can be bad at an idle and UN-useable on the road. NOT an easy job to do correctly as it get quite hot in the wheel wells by the time they are all adjusted correctly. Even with the exhaust fan on full speed, 8 Mercury columns jumping around, and the heat of the engine, one starts to see double before the job is done. Just when I thought updating and correcting the throttle settings on a 348 was rough, along came the 355 issues. Makes one long for the C-4 Webers........ right up until you jump into the 355 and feel what it is supposed to feel like. Advancements in technology, isnt it great?!

    Dave
     
  11. jssans

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    Would it be the easy way to just try & clean the throttle plates before I get into mercury tubes. Or its dumb to try & do one without doing the other?
     
  12. F355Bob

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    What is the basic problem? Mine is fine sometimes and other times not. When you say it is a vacuum problem, what do you mean and how do you correct it and have it stay corrected? I have done the change of the linkage parts and helped alittle. I can't believe the challenge cars would have had this problem and still be driven smoothly.
     
  13. jssans

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    My back end would come out on every turn because of the sticky throttle when tracking my F355. I would imagine 355 Challenge would become usless with this same problem.
     
  14. Llenroc

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    Have to laugh Dave at your above discription of heat and the difficult time I had adjusting the throttle plates on mine, crap what a furness those cars can be. I finally did it in stages. Adjusting the throttle plates first then letting it cool and then doing the air bleed screws and then the throttle progression last, by the way that seemed to be where the problem on my car was. Agree on the 348 balance, piece of cake compared to the 355. I guess you have to look at Ferraris as being an interesting challenge. Regards, Vern
     
  15. J.P.Sarti

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    I don't see how the throttle plates and air bleeds can get out of adjustment that much to cause this issue unless they have a wear issue, seems a regular diet of Techron is neccessary as well to keep them from sticking.
     
  16. Llenroc

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    Josh, I think you would clean the throttle plates first, if they are dirty you are going to get different air flow readings than you would with them clean. Regards, Vern
     
  17. Llenroc

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    Agreed, but they seem to mine runs better now than it did before I went back to adjust. The mercury columns were of quite a bit off when I started. What showed to be off the most was the progression adjustment. Techron isn't going to help the throttle bodies on the 355 because they control air only there is no fuel going over them. Techron would help the injectors stay clean but, that isn't where the problem seems to be. Regards, vern
     
  18. damaged

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    everyone seems to be on the right track, for the basic checks, but also beware on the throttle plates, check for small ridges on the housings,caused by rapid opening/closing of the throttle, i.e "blipping", we have see this cause sticking.
     
  19. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    There are times when my car runs so strong. I have GruppeM intake, Hyperflow cats computer chip off a challenge car. The throttle response is right there in any gear and the car really pulls and any slight movenment of the throttle causes a surge that pushes you back in the seat--even in 6th at 3000rpm. Then there are other times when it seems like there is play in the throttle off idle and it stumbles alittle and the throttle response is not nearly as crisp. Is this a throttle adjustment, throttle position sensor?
     
  20. jssans

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    I finished cleaning the throttle plates. There is no difference in the stickyness when using the throttle. So i cleaned all the controling pieces. It got extremely worse. The throttle became sticky all the way to the floor, start to finish stickyness. So i lublicated all the controling pieces up to the throttle plates. The stickyness started to go away, but not the stickyness at the begining of the throttle. I can feel rubbing when depressing the throttle pedal. I also feel the spring that lifts off the throttle is way to strong. I feel a less aggressive spring could help. I have driven a few cars in my time. I have not had this unique experience before. I think I have more than one (probably three or more) contributing factors to this throttle issue.
     
  21. J.P.Sarti

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    Just out of curiousity anyone running a K&N filter having the sticky throttle issues?

    My car does not experience any throttle issues, it has a few times bumped up a few rpm off idle then settled down this has happened when I first got as it had been sitting for a period but has not done it since.
     
  22. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    I have the GruppeM intake an it has K&N filters and I still have the throttle problems.
     
  23. lusso64

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    Is anyone aware of a documented procedure to do all this? If not, anyone feel like writing one?

    Thanks, Dave
     

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