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Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by Braced, Jul 31, 2006.

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  1. Braced

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    First post here in the Ferrari Chat room! A close friend of mine is upgrading from his 1991 348ts to a new F430. As a result he has offered me his 348 at a wholesale price. He is the original owner and has been very meticulous about completing all the required servicing. The major belt service was just completed. The car is completely stock and has 24k miles on it. He has disclosed one ongoing problem the car has had since new. When it gets too hot outside (over 100f) the car goes into reduced power mode. Cylinders 5-8 go out and the car runs on 4. He says it is rare but it does it occasionally. It also occurs when going up in altitude. He has had his dealer on this problem for many years with no results. They thought it was the thermal couplers(?) and he thinks that has been looked at but not sure.

    Everything else on the car looks brand new. It truly is in showroom condition. I've always wanted a Ferrari and this is probably the one.

    If any of you 348 owners or former owners can enlighten me on what I'm getting into I would apprecieate it.

    Thanks

    SB
     
  2. PAP 348

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    #2 PAP 348, Jul 31, 2006
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    Welcome aboard friend :)

    Just search this particular side of the forum, you will read a few problems others have with theirs and alot of good advice about repairing them so fear not about buying it, we will help you where we can.

    I can enlighten you a little though....Welcome to the 348 Brotherhood where fine cars and even finer women will enter in your life :D
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  3. VTChris

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    How much?
     
  4. Miltonian

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    Steve; When the car goes into "reduced power" mode and shuts down one bank of cylinders, it is telling you that one of the catalytic converters is overheating (thus the "Slow Down" warning). It needs to be determined whether this is a genuine problem or a false signal. The 348 series has a history of problems with the electronic control units for the exhaust temperature (the "black boxes" mounted on the rear shock towers). The thermocouple sends a signal to the exhaust ECU, which sends a signal to the Motronic ignition/injection ECU, which shuts down the bank of cylinders.

    If it is a real problem, then the converter is getting very, very hot, probably due to unburned fuel getting into it. The first thing to do would be to download the fault codes stored in the Motronic ECU's to see if there is anything stored in the memory that might indicate where the problem lies.

    If it's a "ghost" (a false signal) then you can do a simple diagnosis by switching the exhaust ECU's from one side of the car to the other, and see if the "slow down" indicator light now switches to the opposite bank of cylinders.

    Neither of these tests involve any new parts, or special tools, or a great deal of time.

    Hope the car works out for you, sounds great!
     
  5. Braced

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    Best advice I've heard yet! Thanks. I don't get to touch it until the 430 arrives early next year. I'm just doing my homework!

    I will ask him to do as you suggest.

    Someone asked price...... low 40's. I don't want to say too much until it's in MY garage! I hope you all understand.
     
  6. Braced

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    Thank you! The finer woman is already in my life! I'll settle for the car now! LOL!!
     
  7. No Doubt

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  8. Braced

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    Just a follow up. I talked with the current owner. He says it is a ghost indication. The dealership ran all the tests and all the ECU's have been replaced. He assures me it is not an overheated cat. They have tried switching the sides and the 5-8 still go out. So???? He's been driving it the last few days in 105 degree heat and it has been running fine. I guess I'll just inherit the problem. When it gets too hot, I'll drive my C6 Vette.

    Thanks again for your replies. I love the Internet! Share and share alike!

    SB

    P.S Any other 348 stuff I should know about?
     
  9. Braced

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  10. ernie

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    If it still happens on the one side you can try a couple of things.

    You can swap the Motronic ecu's from one side to the other, not the cat ecus, the motronic ecu's behind the seats.

    Or

    When the car does it's thing, unplug the cat ecu for the 5/8 bank and then see what happens.

    But it sounds more like you my have a bad thermocouple on the 5/8 bank. Your system could be working just perfect, but the thermocouple coming out of the can could be bad, or on it's way out. So try swapping the thermocouples from one side to the other and see what happens. You can do it yourself. A 12mm open end wrench, some WD40 to loose it up, and that's it. No need to get charged $120/hr for something that only takes 10 minutes to do.

    Swap the thermocouples first, and see what that does.
     
  11. Jeff Pintler

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    As for funky problems on one side, my 348 had a bad fuel rail pressure regulator (the vacuum part wouldn't). The cat on the driver side was cooked, the tail light lens was melted. The problem would happen after a few weeks of resetting the motroic and as the car would add miles/data, I think it would lean out or enrichen the one side and the car would not idle properly. I tested it by hooking up a fule pressure gauge and then hand vacuum pump to the reg's port....it wouldn't modulate. Very easy part to install. In another adventure, I found a loose ground connection on the driver cam cover that would cause one bank to cut out. Good luck with your purchase. I wish all 348 owners could get 430's and pass our cars on to 308 and 328 owners so they could see what a good car is like! Good luck!

    Jeff Pintler
    89 348tb(getting major now), 86TR(bad clutch master)
     
  12. No Doubt

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    Where was the loose ground connection, specifically?
     
  13. davey_jones

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    I was wondering that also.....
     
  14. Braced

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    Thanks for the replies guys. I won't get the car until next February. But I will keep a copy of this thread. If anyone has anymore ideas please pipe in. I will find the problem eventually!
     
  15. BT

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    You might want to get some test pipes and disconnect the exhaust ECU from the engine management temporarily (wink, wink). I am getting my cats tested currently. Sounds like you have found a great car, good luck!
    BT
     

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