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Clip from 308 plug extender dropped next to plug HELP!!!

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  1. junkyarddog

    junkyarddog Formula Junior

    May 18, 2006
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    I am changing my plugs and when I pulled the extender off and the clip wasn't there. It is on the front bank so I got a mirror and a flashlight and I can barely see it NO ON THE PLUG :(. I've tried getting it with a magnet, blowing it out with air, blowing it into a position so I can get it with a magnet but none is working. I'm waiting on a mini shop vac from a friend to try that but if that doesn't work this is what i'm wondering. If I pull the plug and it falls into the cylinder can I fish it out with a magnet? I've looked and the area around the plug is very clean so I wouldn't be worried about dirt. Has anyone ever had this problem or have a suggestion on how to go about it? My friend just pulled up so I'll let you know how the mini shop vac works. Please help!!! Thanks in advance.
     
  2. junkyarddog

    junkyarddog Formula Junior

    May 18, 2006
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    I'm not sure if the shop vac worked or not. I now can't see nor find the clip. The shop vac was empty still looking...nervous about pulling plug but I don't see how it could hide in the tube especially when spraying air into the tube 15-20 times. I'm thinking I may have now blown it out with air and it has fallen into they engine bay somewhere. I've looked under the car. I'll update when I can but still need advice on if I should pull the plug or not.
     
  3. Peter

    Peter F1 Veteran
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    Dec 21, 2000
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    I'm not sure where you would be able to obtain one in your area, but at one of my local tool stores, here in Vancouver, Canada, they sell boroscopes... They're expensive, but that damn thing paid for itself the first time I used it! I always keep it handy when I'm working on the car, as sure enough, I always end up dropping a tiny nut, or washer, or something else. That fibreoptic boroscope always saves my butt.

    You may think you dropped the clip in the spark plug well, but it may have fallen off after you removed it and it could be laying somewhere else. Try to stay calm, retrace your steps/arm movement over the engine and look in those areas.

    The clip may have fallen down a carb throat, or could be resting in a valley between the head and intake manifold, sitting on top of the flat area in the engine's vee. Lots of places to look...

    Be patient and calm.
     
  4. Peter

    Peter F1 Veteran
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    #4 Peter, Aug 6, 2006
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  5. junkyarddog

    junkyarddog Formula Junior

    May 18, 2006
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    The good thing is I know it isn't in the carb throat...my airbox is still on. I originally saw it in the tube with a mirror and light but can't see it anymore so I'm almost convinced it is stuck somewhere in the engine bay. I'm going to go ahead and carefully fish around the bottom on the cylinder with a telescopic magnet for a pull or two to see if I get lucky...If not I'll order one of those scopes I can think of a million and one uses for it...I'm sure I can get one on ebay or something. I do know i'm not going to rush and be sure I find it just for peice of mind. I'll forget I dropped it and if it is in the tube next time I change my plugs I'll get a nice 10k parts bill to fix it. I'll keep everyone updated.
     
  6. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    dont panic. get some .032 safety wire and bend a hook in it and fish it in there and remove the clip. think of it bieng like that old childs game "Operation" ..... :)
     
  7. tatcat

    tatcat F1 World Champ
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    are you sure it was on the extender to start with?
     
  8. Artvonne

    Artvonne F1 Veteran

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    Bets are it isnt magnetic either. The fishing trick may be your next best bet.
     
  9. wolftalk

    wolftalk Formula Junior

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    he said twice he saw it in the well via a mirror.

    besides poking around with a wad of duct tape on the end of a stick, a messy approach would be to gob some grease on the end of the spark plug socket. If the clip is wedged under the bottom of the plug, it would probably stick in the grease when the plug was loosened.

    'course, then you need to wipe out the grease after the plug is out.

    sounds like it's gone, though, so not worth the mess.

    one of those claw things with the flexible shafts are handy for stuff like this...if you can see the part you want to grab.
     
  10. junkyarddog

    junkyarddog Formula Junior

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    I'm sure it was the clip. After trying to find it again blowing air in the tube etc. I still couldn't see it. I loosened up the plug thinking it was perhaps lodged underneath the nut of the plug somehow. Still couldn't find it. I went ahead and pulled the plug after about 2 hours of searching around the bottom of the car and the engine bay. I pulled another clip out of one of the extenders and did a size comparison with the threads and found it could fit but would have a good chance of hanging up. I already ordered a boroscope and put the plug back in to keep dirt out. I'll wait til the scope comes in and check the cylinder just for peace of mind...it's not worth the parts bill. Unfortunatley if it gets under the nut of the plug duct tape and a claw won't work...You can't even get a magnet far enough down unless it's really small. Thanks for all the suggestions I'll let everyone know what happens when I get the scope.
     
  11. junkyarddog

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    oh and it is magnetic...I checked...but the rest of the extender metal isn't.
     
  12. NYCFERRARIS

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    what if you backed the plug out , say 1/2 - 3/4 way so you could explore under the plug nut...and then repeat the fishing looking sucking, vacuming and then figure it is gone...get lots of bright light into that well also to see if it will "glint" I would assume if you put the sop vac over the plug well and sealed it and thus created one hell of a suction in that well...everything should come out
     
  13. junkyarddog

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    I did back the plug out and do all of that again...I even removed the shop vac filter and covered it with a screen to increase suction even more...gave my hand one hell of a hicky. I modified a hose with a bench grinder to fit in the hole perfectly. I'm pretty confident it's not in there but I'd still feel better if I found it. I'll be sure to let it run for a second and stop it pull the plug again and make sure there isn't any mechanical damage...then I'll know it's not in there.
     
  14. FasterIsBetter

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    You are making this much more complicated than it has to be. Just pick up the car, turn it over, and shake. The clip will fall right out!

    But seriously, I did something similar with my old Mondial. Albeit, the front bank has more working room than the 308, but I fished around, tried the magnet, nothing worked. Finally, put some double-stick tape on the end of a chop stick left over from some Chinese take-out, and went in. Voila! The clip stuck and I got it out. What a relief that was.
     
  15. Birdman

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    I keep meaning to buy one of those borescopes. Those things are cool!

    Birdman
     
  16. junkyarddog

    junkyarddog Formula Junior

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    My scope came first thing this morning and I couldn't see the clip in the cylinder...I had to get the 4mm scope to get inside the hole which of course was 3 times as expensive. Neat tool though I'm sure I'll use it alot. I did talk to a well known engine builder in town that owns alot of high end cars last night. He said 98% of the time when something small like that clip i'm looking for falls into the cylinder it will just get blown out the exhaust valve within a couple of strokes. Normally I wouldn't believe something like this but I've known this guy since I was a kid and he's built 1000s of engines and about 95 cars from scratch in his lifetime.
     
  17. Verell

    Verell F1 Veteran
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    Well, probably it'll either blow out thru the exh valve, or else slip between the piston & the cyl. wall...

    A compression test after a hundred miles or so should tell you which way it went...
     
  18. yelcab

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    That is an evil thought.
     
  19. Verell

    Verell F1 Veteran
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    Sorry, was just being factual.
    But those seem to be the possibilities if it went into the cylinder, and I know which one would happen to my car.

    Hopefully it cam out when air was being blown into the spark plug well & just wasn't noticed. It's probably way back under a rollaway.

    Well, I guess the only other possibility is that it could stay inside the cyl & rattle around, but given it's small size suspect it'd eventually get blown out.

    Once helped the owner pull an MG cylinder head for decoking. 3 of the cylinders had heavy carbon deposits, the 4th was spotless, except for the shiny brass spark plug connector tip lying on top of the piston. Owner said 'I lost that tip a year ago during the last tune-up, always wondered where it went". No sign of damage to anything, just a nice clean cylinder, valves, head, etc!!! Owner was tempted to put it back together with tips in the other 3 cylinders. I talked him out of it.
     

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