Would Michael Schumacher make a good team boss?

Passion is fuel used by people with skills to drive them to success!

Michael and Ferrari brig more passion to F1 than any other driver team combination!

 

:rolls eyes:

 

very true. it doesn't mean if ur a double WC or even a 7 time WC. or even how deep u know about the sport. it's all about skills. managing a team, is like art. u gotta see things at every aspect, at every angle. well, it's rather safe for me to say that most successful managers today weren't that good during their days in the game. jose mourinho, alex ferguson are some perfect examples. vice versa, we have alain prost!

 

Look at Flavio, a guy who doesn't quite have the passion of the series or racing. He loves the business aspects of it. And approaches from that manner. Applies a very quantitive and qualitative method to his program.

 

true...i thought i read somewhere he was actually a manager for the united colours of bennetton fashion company before being offered as a manager of the race team.

 

This is true, he was so successful with the clothing line that they offered the job as the race team manager to him which looks like he's done pretty well with.

 

yup. i can't agree more. i'm a management student myself. and the basic about management is, to get the right people, with the right skills, at the right time, and at the right resources. i think flav proved us right with MS, FA, and now, HK.

 

Flav seems to have been a great manager first then learned about the sport as he went and became great with that as well. I don't know how much knowledge of F1 he had at first but he seems to have a great eye for spotting drivers (Schumacher/Alonso). I was a manager for a while and what i learned was management skill are transferable. You don't have to know that much about what you're managing to be effective.

 

yeah. basiclly, management are the same, regardless what u do. it's more less the same principles. only thing u need is to get time to settle down and thats about it.

 

Yes and that's why every baseball team is managed by a former player....

 

What Briatore, Todt, Dennis, Williams, etc. do is akin to a General Manager or an owner in American sports. The "manager" in baseball is what other sports would consider a head coach. A hands-on position, as opposed to overseaing and strategizing. A baseball "manager" (hockey or football head coach) would be akin to a technical director, like Ross Brawn at Ferrari.

 

Yes that is why teams come and go... Benetton came and went... Renault has arrived and is already making an exit strategy...

Passion determines longevity and continuation! It is passion that has kept Ferrari racing in F1 since the start.

Without passion you have a quick and dirty business plan and a shot at some profits. Benetton, Minardi, Jaguar... all business plans with no passion!

With passion you get Scuderia Ferrari... immortality!

 

I hate to tell you, but F1 and all the teams involved are in it for the profits. F1 is a business. Ferrari is a business. MS and all the other drivers are making a living (a very nice one) from it. It's a form of entertainment to us, but that's why we pay for the entertainment.

 

Westworld,

you would have better luck trying to teach a footbal to sing than to lecture imperial about anything.

 

MS as team manager?

Would Ferrari ever win a race without getting the points stripped away because he had instructed the team to cheat in one way or another?

Schumi doesnt have the integrity to be a top team manager. Yes, he has been a very talented driver, yes he is driven and yes he has the experience. But he lacks the ability to temper his own determination with a sense of basic right and wrong. The guy is a cheat. Its been consistently like that through his entire career as a driver. I just dont see putting someone with such a clear lack of integrity into the top spot for Ferraris racing efforts. Big Mistake.



Terry

 

True....I'm done now. Imperial is a tool.

 

I hope you're not saying Dan Gurney is a poor driver!?!

 

As much as I like these DRIVERS, I think their involvement in F1 beyond driving is less-than 'steller':

Berger (so-so), Prost, Rosberg, and even Lauda.

Some folks are meant to manage - and some are not.

I'm in IT - if you want to increase your sales, PRAY your competitor hires me in sales, because I'm a rotten salesman. Run a computer department I can do, manage staff, yes, but sales - NO. The only thing I could sell is cars - and only at a Ferrari dealership because they sell themselves.

Could you even imagine working for Mansell ?

 

Not at all. My comment was to those who say drivers can't be good team managers. I guess Gurney was a slouch team manager and so was/is Penske

 

Exactly. I laugh when people bring up the GT40 and how it beat Ferrari. Yeah a couple of times and then Ford ran and hid.

 

Gurney was pretty damned good when he drove, and when he built the Indy Eagles in the early 70's, and then resurrected them in the early 80's, and let's not forget the IMSA Toyota GTP cars as well.

Penske is no idiot, I wonder when he ever sleeps.

Tom Walkenshaw is brilliant, so is Bob Tullius, and Jackie Ickx, and Henri Pescarolo, and the list can go on and on.


BUT, you get into F1, and you're in a totally different planet, where every driver, every crewman, every team member, has an ego of some sort that must be stroked a certain way. You don't have that in ANY other form of motorsport.

 

I laugh just the same when we run into someone here that can't decide between a new Corvette, or a Ferrari. It's a no-brainer, if it's a secondary car; Vettes are on every corner, I live in a town of 500,000, I think we have 8 Ferraris here that I know of. Why have something that everyone else has ?

 

Ford was not in it for the long run anyway, but with 4 victories, they surely made their point. Motor racing is not their main activity; making normal family cars is. Ferrari's life was based around his passion for motor racing. In fact, he started reluctantly to sell cars to the general public to finance his Scuderia.

It must be said also that since Ford beat Ferrari at Le Mans, in 1966, Ferrari never won again. We had efforts with the 512M/S and 312PB, but when Porsche beat them 2 years of the trott, Ferrari ran and hid too!

As for Ford, the Ford Cosworth DFV won more races and championships than any other engine, and won twice at Le Mans too. Not bad for people with no passion.

I like Ferrari too, I admired the guy and appreciate the cars but sycophants like Impy, or those who distort the truth, I don't like.

 

Exactly, the more I read your posts, the more I like you......

 

And that is why I have repeated time and again...

Jaguar was a business... it went away.
Benetton was a business... it went away.
Renault is a business... it will go away.

The business of Ferrari is trading passion... racing passion... it will never go away!

If you understand the business of passion in F1 then you can be uccesful in F1.

If you don't understand passion... you end up like Minardi... a failed business plan!

Michael knows about passion and he would be a great F1 boss!