Engine Overhaul?

this is why I don't like dealerships to work on cars, you never know who is going to be working on it each time you bring it in or their skill level, ppis could be regulated to rookies as the more experienced mechanics are doing the more expensive technical stuff, the same goes for various repairs

Those numbers the car would not pass smog and have high HCs on a gas analyzer from missing, they should have known something was wrong with the test instead of taking advantage of the poor test to sell a $25k rebuild

Its their rep

 

Agreed, I hate the fact that the guy in the suit who takes your money gets paid more than the anonymous person who actually works on your car. I prefer to pay less and deal with a specialist direct, the kind that have to remove the surgical gloves to shake your hand.

But enough of the chat, what was the result of the 2nd test???

 

Not implying anything other than there is bias. I sold a house last year that needed septic work. The buyer from out of state wanted to hire the same company that did the inspection to fix the issue. The price was triple what i got it done for.

 

Maybe you are on to something.

 

This car was checked not once but twice just to make sure the number" s were correct. . FoCF did not do a leak down test when the major was done. 355's have been out there for 11 years now. All of us in the Ferrari world know that 355's have this problem. If the shop is telling you , you have two weak cylinders, chances are you may not notice this because it is the only 355 that you have experience with.
As someone who has been driving them for 11 years, There is a difference.

 

And this whole thread is a great example why fewer and fewer shops are doing PPI's.

No matter what you say and how dilligent you are you have just pissed someone off and exposed yourself to all kinds of trouble.

The dealers around here won't do them because they have been sued over them. I only do them for established customers.

I am a little surprised FOW still does them but this experience may change all that.

 

Where's Andy_hls ? That guy is just about crazy enough to do it!!

 

i have seen Andys car at track days and its bloody hot Half 348 and half 355

 

perfect example of the kind of post this thread is designed to generate. you have no idea who did this ppi or wether or not it was done correctly. all negative speculation. I know you don't state it implicitely, but you are implying fow falls into this category since this thread is about fow. for all you know, the best ferrari mechanic on the east coast did or supervised this job, but you don't offer that possibility. as i stated above, fow could hardly expect to get this work. the person buying is gonna run the other way(if he is smart) and the owner sure isn't gonna have fow do it. if the leak down numbers are correct, and we have to assume they are until proven otherwise, fow would be neglegent not to inform the buyer about a possible rebuild. those numbers could indicate piston liners not just valves, and if you've got it all apart you might as well do rings and bearings. sounds like a reasonable opinion to me.

I haven't seen on this thread wether focf actually did a ppi or leak down test. An A+ bill of health is sorta vague.

 

if you would simply read the thread, you will see several people have posted about the 355's that have no problems and don't need an overhall after x miles. sorry, i thought i sounded like someone pointing out that your post has no relevance to this discussion. i am, by the way, grumpy but no expert.

 

yup, you either have one guy that isn't prepared for a huge repair bill or another that just posted on a national ferrari forum that the car he is selling is now worth 20k less than he's asking. can't win either way.

 

any pics of it?
Would love to see it

 

Ok grumpy. But being that i have a 355, i will post what i like on a 355 section. maybe your on this section becourse they threw ya grumpy arse of the 328 section. lol!

 

I think this is exactly the case.

There is no way a car kept as well as yours is going to read 12#'s on a cylinder. A lawnmower has more compression than that. And, you'd definitely feel that cylinder not firing!

This reminds me of a person I knew who worked at a gas station along the NY Thruway in the 60's.

He told me that they would sell 150-200 quarts of oil per day! I was astounded with these numbers.

He said they woul pull the dip stick, wipe it, and put it in but for the last 1"!!

They would show the driver and suggest they add a quart!

I think you need a diiferent shop. It sounds like they were holding the dipstick back on you!

Don't fall for it.

 

I best not post any more pictures on this thread in fear of Mr Grumpy going of on one.

 

Greg, FOW has one of the best reputations in the country and not just with their clients but with the people inside the industry as well and it is not by accident. They worked hard for it and they deserve it. I am willing to concede that a mistake could have been made. Everybody has them but I refuse to believe that there is a possibility that there is any more to it than that. It is one of a handful of shops in North America I would unhesitatingly send one of my clients to if they needed help on the East coast.
I think your comments are a bit unfair not having any more to go on than one side of the story.

As to knowing the condition of the car, you would be very surprised to see what people never notice with their cars.

 

As I stated with high leakdown numbers the car would be running poorly and have high HC numbers from missing, they didn't even check to confirm this it takes 5 minutes to hook a car up to a gas analyzer which they would have in their shop, thats all I needed to know to form my opinon they did a poor job for the seller while trying to sell a $25k rebuild from fear of all 355s having engine problems

 

And what information has been given to you that says they did not perform that test. And further why shoud they?

If I am a Doctor and I find a dead body, it is cold, I confirm it has no pulse and is not breathing how many more tests should I do to confirm it is dead?

 

Seems the original poster would have said it to confirm the results if they performed the GA test as well.

Why should they? Like your Dr analogy its being thorough especially when things don't add up 100% such as these test results with a car with good service history and no major issues before that is running well, thats like doing a bypass on someone if they have a bad case of heartburn, the service manager should have confirmed the motor was is in need of a rebuild with a GA test, wrong procedures get incorrect results even if the wrench did the same test twice.

 

I would have to agree with this post, a car with those #'s would have other symtoms as noted. This test warrants repeating, along with #'s from the header test pionts from a different shop. And as far as I am concerned, every motor will "need a rebuild" sooner or later.

 

No one has called the delaer to get their side yet?

I know that there is a train of thought that suggests that if you are an innocent merchant, you have no need to waste your time on a BBS commenting when someone disparages you...

But reality is, it would be nice if they chimed in.

It really doesn't sound like the original poster was intentionally trying to say anything defamatory against the dealership, but of course that is inferred.

I think that ALL of us, would post on here in one fashion or another if we got those leakdown numbers. If for no other reason, because you would be shocked an depressed about it, and would appreciate a kind word.

When I had a ppi done on a testarossa (which I bought ), a couple of my cylinders were close to 10% leakdown, others at 5% or so. The car wasn't driven for awhile prior to purchase, and I hope they are lower now. Either way, I had lots of questions even with a slightly off leakdown. With 50% leakage, I would have had a lot more stress...to say the least.

So lets not jump all over the owner, I know where he is comming from...

 

And how do you know it does not?


You guys are hopeless. One side of a story really is all you need isn't it?


Send anyone for a rope yet?

 

Boy, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The only people I let work on my Ferrari is a dealership and I know exactly who the mechanic is who is working on it...he's the same mechanic who has been working on it each and every time I've brought it in over the past 6 years. His skill level? Beyond reproach.
"Never know who is going to be working on it each time you bring it in?" LOL, hardly the case.

 

Unlike the "dead body", this motor is alive and only "ill" according to the tests performed.

 

Not the F dealers I have seen, turnover is high as well with mechanics