C6 Z06 beats F430 while being in the wrong gear!!!..*Video*

Love the Z06 or hate it, remember that the same company that builds it has foisted this excretion on the general populace.
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I think that's the first time that the word "excretion" has been used on this site.

 

Well, after having been around these POS's for a while now, I couldn't think of a better description. I HHHHAAAATTTTEEEE the Aveo.

 

Pretty balsy to throw stones when Ferrari couldn't build a decent car until about 1999 and when they finally got around to putting it together half decently it was still not the fastest car.

I dig them but they ain't that great.

 

For such a small volume carmaker, you should applaud the effort Ferrari has made to improve quality/fit finish. Same with Lambo's (course with Audi behind them)....And......Whoever said Ferrari's were about being the fastest? That's the billionth time someone has used the whole stupid "fast" point to marginalize an F-car. Get with the program already... GEEZ!!!

 

They built a few decent cars before 1999. The way it's looking one single example may soon be worth a whole lot more that Corvettes entire parent Co.
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I share your sentiments. For those who criticize, maybe they should be reminded that the very same shock absorbers used on the Ferrari 599 are standard equipment on the Corvette. It must make some people crazy knowing that GM/Delco rides "underneath" and controls their ride.

I own a Ferrari and Z-06 - and each attends to a different need or mine.

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LOL. Owned!

 

Just imagine how they feel when they find out that chevy's may use Bridgestones and Michelin tires also! Doh!

 

yes, the same basic Delphi "shock" is there(is it a GM product, or just sourced to GM?), but the applications differ much in the software-custom ferrari programs, thus making the 599's much more effective, yes?

 

Didn't that parent company own Ferrari's parent company?

 

Do you drive a 'vette?

Keep in mind I work for a Chevy Dealer. I see their constant recalls, backorders and quality issues daily. They have their **** spread so thin they can't even smell it. Ferrari has vision and passion. GM can only think about market share. And keep in mind which one is making money. If you think F-cars are "not that great" what are you doing here?

 

wow incedible point with information right from the horses mouth

 

Important point - totally invalidates the fact that Ferrari relies on GM/Delco technology. Thanks for the insight.

 

they dont rely on it but gm/delco did invent it, and thats were ferrari got it from so its important to give them their due credit

 

Looked pretty even to me that race...where was this Z06 beat 430 thing ?

are we talking about at the end ?

 

Well, actually it is a Delphi, not "Delco" product, and they are a seperate Corporation from GM. They make lots of electronic things from Moblie audio, video, etc, to Auto products/Commercial Vehicle stuff, to Medical devices...Delphi calls its' shocks MagneRide--that's their trademark, but it's known elsewhere as Magneto-rheological Shocks. Audi is now using it in their cars as well...the new TT has it. Although the basic hardware is the same in all the cars, each manufacturer develops their own software to control it--based on their need/desires. It's this last bit that's crucial it seems. It costs more money to test and program it for higher level performance. And it appears some car manufacturers settle for the "stock" package that they buy from Delphi. Ferrari worked with Delphi on the software to have it work more precisely with the 599's chassis/platform. From what we've heard/seen so far, it appears that it's paid off in the ride and handling department. Sorry if this is more than anyone wanted to know...

 

Thanks for straightening that out for me, all makes very good sense, and is good to know

 

i didn't know all of that til just recently either...call me ignorant

 

If there is a God we are all students. Interesting and helpful.

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On the contrary, thanks for the info.

BTW folks, these comparative threads can go on ad nauseum. There is a car out there for everyone's needs and quirks. Vette, Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche, two-wheels, three-wheels.....it'a all good!!

 

End of the day when you park it, it is still ONLY a corvette

 

There was a Brasilian wives thread that use the words a few times. LOL.

 

I took my car to the "Pinks" taping here in Dallas(Ennis) yesterday and it was running very fast. Unfortunately pesky track officials and a weak clutch kept me out of the 10s. I ran drag radials for the first time as well.
My first pass got me my first warning. I even launched at 1500rpms. 60 ft was 1.8 with an 11.45@124 while granny shifting. I knew big numbers wer possible then.
I launched at 3K rpms the next time and scorched a 1.6 60ft time. The launch felt bad to me because I am not used to it hooking so hard off the line. The engine bogged a tiny bit so I granny shifted down the track this time as well. I didn't wanna get kicked off so early so I let off about 300ft before the line and hit the brakes hard at about 75ft. Here's the kicker. I ran even quicker than the first pass. 11.40@99mph. The 0-60 off my Gtimer was 2.93 and 0-100 was 6.98. That was pretty cool. That could have been a 10s pass.
I made a few passes more passes at around 12.0@80mph.
On my last last pass of the night there were thousands of people out there cheering on al the cars in between "Pinks" tapings. It was pretty cool having such a big audience. I decided ok time to get kicked out. The guy running the lights told me to go ahead and run my fastest. I had an ok 60 ft of 1.77 and ran an [email protected]. They kicked me off anyway. Bastards.

Couple of interesting passes.
...........60ft....330ft.....0-60.....0-100.....1/4.......mph
Pass1...1.6......4.7.......2.93......6.9 8.......11.4.....99mph
Pass2...1.7......4.8.......3.1........7. 1........11.28....125.6

Great time at "Pinks". They had snow mobiles that ran 8.2@160mph.

 

In a way you are right, they are all nuts and bolts, after all. Steel tubes (and not even up to bicycle tube standards). Most street Ferraris were not up to the standards, say, of a steel frame Bimota. They cost less per cubic foot, though.

But, there were some nice ones pre-1999. Check out the 250 LM, that's a nifty number. What about the 512 Le Mans cars? Monsters!

Maybe you would prefer the old 1950s TRs and mondials. They had some years where they were competitive in F1 (some years thanks to Maserati cars ...). And there were many lean years in racing, too. At least they kept at it.

There were some wild Can-am cars. For luxury, the 410 was not too bad for it's time.

Usually not that fast in sports car racing, after the early 70's, it's true.

Sure, by the 80's they were recycling names, regurgitating old design themes (and still are), but that's the Fiat influence. Remember that they are Fiats, and that's not all bad. Some Fiats are very wonderful, and they had some money, for once.

You might like the 288 and F40...

Remember that Pinin-Farina was also an old company by the 1980s, too. Had probably lost some of their genius.

At least they don't have pushrod engines! I can never get over the use of that arrangement, except perhaps in piston aircraft engines, which only need to rev. low, anyway. Even then, so messy, yuck!

How did the Americans ever get wedded to such junk? It's hard to imagine that at the same time as the US was producing the F104 Starfighter, cars were powered by cast iron lumps with pushrods .... Ferrari is looking pretty good by comparison.

Are the post 1999 cars that great? 456 and 550? Huge Supra hood scoops? I see some appeal, but just because the interior plastic is expensive to replace - it's still plastic... Beautiful leather, but that's all GT stuff, not sports. Do they have to weigh that much? Heft a muffler - that's great?

360? Is it really a good idea to build an aluminum unit-body car? A street car with ground effects? We'll see how many survive.

Enzo? Are these the cars people will lust after, and drive, in 50 years, or are the plastic chassis just going to age badly and develop oddball fissures and cracks? Was all that carbon fiber properly cured, or just laid up?

The old 250 series doesn't look so bad, after all!

For the fastest cars, check out land speed record cars (straight line), drag racers, or Lotus cars (around a track).

But old Enzo was right, 12 cylinders do sound special, and you won't get that in your hemi or lotus. You won't get much chassis robustness in a lotus, either.

And you won't get beauty - so where but Ferrari can you get the whole package? For over 50 years straight?

Just depends on what you want.