CHAMP Car To Use Standng Starts

I suggest you turn your attention to knitting or something ...

A proper rolling start has the cars at a much slower speed and racing speed, thus when they go green they still accelerate ... thus if a driver has an engine fault or misses a gear disaster can still occur (as does quite often with Champ races, yes I have watched a few).

In the end if you have more than one car on any race track at one time there is a risk of a collision. Men that can handle that race ... others talk about it.

Every weekend all over the world there are hundreds if not thousands of standing start races successfully executed. Like I said before once we woke up and realised that we needed to check that all drivers were actually in position and ready for the start the safety improved considerably.

Pete

 

Hmmm, sorry mate cannot agree. If CART is what comes to Surfers (Australian Gold Coast) every year, then I would be close to saying that European F3 drivers are above that level.

The only reason anybody wins that race is because everybody else has crashed out, or been taken out by some idiot move.

Heck rookie Aussie bagged pole in I think his first attempt in the car (might be wrong here?).

Pete

 

Only thing is when the IRL came into existence, many of the top CART teams jumped over to the IRL, taking with them the better drivers. That is exactly why I stopped watching CART.

 

Ok, I can live with that. Kinda gives you an idea in what a sorry state racing is in the US. Makes a fool like Scott Speed actually look damned good.

But you have to give the series some credit for its efforts to do all three: Oval, road and street racing. Not even F1 dares ovals. And I do like the PTP idea. Gimmicky yes, but fun.

 

I think that argument has lost some of its power by now. I think both series lack some real talent. I mean if they let Danica participate in one of the best cars, it can't be really serious.

 

Examples like Penske and Andretti are two of the teams that made the jump. They have very high budgets, therefore can pay more for their drivers. If a driver has the choice to go road racing in CHAMP cars for little money, or do ovals in the IRL for a lot more money, where do you think that driver will go?

 

I see your point but you lost me at "oval".

 

The top teams did not jump for about 5 years.

 

I do not watch many ovals. I did watch a few when Mansell was in CART and apparently harder to drive than they look. So yeah have to give the CART drivers some credit here.

What is this?

Pete

 

I'm no fan of a series that mostly does ovals as the real trick in racing lies in road and street circuits, but I do think a complete racer/race series should try them all. Particularly since oval racing has its own thrills and techniques.

PTP=push to pass
Now your purist blood is probably starting to boil. The engine electronics allow the drivers a given amount of pressing that bottom to get an extra 50 (?) hp out of the engine for a brief period of time (defined by the length of the longest straight on the circuit). Therefore passing becomes more doable. Also adds another element of strategy to the equation. Of course a car about to be passed can also press that button and defend the position, but of course only for so many times. Brings a whole new dimension into the game. Obviously a prerequisite for PTP is the fact that every car has the same engine.

 

PTP, hmmm interesting. A1GP has that I believe, and I have enjoyed watching a few of those races.

I guess with cars that are all identical something is required to make things happen ... especially when aero is involved.

Pete

 

I don't understand why you say this. In his second day of testing he was less then a tenth away from Speed's time...a guy who has been on the team for over a year, testing for them while he was still in A1GP. The limitations of the car are strong compared to everything else on the field except for Super Best Friends and Spyker.

 

What test was that?

He lost 0.7 to Liuzzi in the most recent one:
http://www.formula1.com/news/5411.html

BTW: I like Bourdais. Not trying to bash him, but he doesn't seem to have the speed.

Blick's Roger Benoit made it painfully clear by calling Bourdais' test "a failure":
http://www.blick.ch/sport/formel1/artikel51515

 

That was the Day 1 test, check this out...

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=30189

If these are legitimate results, then this either says alot about Bourdais or not very much at all about Speed. Also, Bourdais top time in ths session is faster than Liuzzi's yesterday.

 

Champ Car will run no ovals in 2007.

IRL added 2 road races to make 5 for 2007.

Both are running combined weekends with ALMS., all at road courses of course.

The combined events will be must see.

I can't believe they both have survived.

The talk of mergers have ceased to be public.

What happened to the rumors that someone was buying Indy/Indy Car.

The above would change everything. Disney, NASCAR?

Some big names are going to the ALMS.

Penske will be involved.

 

Whichever series is on network TV ?

If you think Penske jumped to IRL for any reason OTHER than TV exposure, you are dreaming.

 

Well, you have your opinion, I have mine; leave it at that!

And you are not the only one to have raced either to make you an authority on the subject...

 

Dreaming? I don't think so.

Every CHAMP car race is broadcast on TV, as is every IRL race, so one series has no more exposure than the other. It has everything to do with sponsors. The sponsors wanted to remain linked to the INDY 500, and the IRL is the only open-wheel series competing at the INDY 500.

 

Not true............Penske jumped immediately, and I would say that Penske was to CART as Ferrari is to F1.

 

He was. Now he's stuck in a failed series and his ego won't let him go back to ChampCar. Not to mention that there's no chance of manipulating the rules thanks to the current owners of ChampCar. Penske is still in IRL because Tony George is his ***** and he knows it. That's why he's going to ALMS, there's no way he could save face and go back to ChampCar.

2007 is going to be very interesting.

 

Not exactly. The IRL was set up because Tony George (family member of the family that owns Indy) decided that he wanted a "cheaper" more competitive series. The reality was that CART (Champion Auto Racing Teams) was a group of team owners who had become the sanctioning agency. When George decided to kill open wheel racing, the TV viewing public left in droves, destroying the idea of American open wheel racing. Because George controlled Indy, ultimatey, most teams started racing in the IRL, and the engine manufacturers left CART, leaving them with a morbund series.

IRL sucks. Obsolete technology, slower than the Champ cars, but they do have Indy.

Sorry for the rant, but I've got a client or two that has been affected by Mr. George.

Art

 

Penske went to the IRL on 2000 not immediately in 1996.

 

The IRL races are on ABC / ESPN, while Champ Cart has stugled to get their races on SPEED TV and SPIKE TV (two years ago). They are still paying the TV networks to broadcast their races, so yes there is a huge disparity in exposure.

 

Actually, ChampCar races are going to be on ESPN networks starting this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=5&id=2664958

IRL will be lucky to have 16 cars at their season opener, ChampCar, with the new chassis, will probably have 20 with the possibility of more. Which series is showing growth?

 

Well guys I think IRL is boring. Even Indy is boring. If you watch the first 10 minutes and come back for the last 15, you have seen the race. Ovals are for NASCAR. And I really only watch NASCAR when to go to Watkins Glenn and Sears point.

I like watching CART. Something about those guys driving hard in those concrete canyons, on temporary city circiuts which are as bumpy as hell. Unlike the F1 mob which only drive on finely manicured circiuts that have to be smoother than a biliard table.

To bad CART does not mandate that at least one American driver be on each team for the team to get points. It now seems to be a series for South American drivers and the like, not talented enough for F1, but who can bring enough sponsership money to the table for the car owners. Still aside form F1 it is still the best racing show on TV.