Really bad back, and scared of chiropractors | FerrariChat

Really bad back, and scared of chiropractors

Discussion in 'Other Off Topic Forum' started by TopCloser, Mar 12, 2007.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. TopCloser

    TopCloser Formula Junior

    Mar 20, 2006
    309
    I've got an annually reoccuring lower back problem. It's been happening for the past 15 years. It may go back further than that, but I don't remember much back pain before then. I'm 31, so this has been bothering me for nearly half my life. There are two things that I can vividly recall that may be the cause of the pain. The first was a very painful sledding accident I had when I was 7 or so. Essentially, I landed very hard on my butt on ice from about 5 feet in the air. Very, very, very painful. Second was when I was 15 or 16...I took martial arts as a teen, and was thrown over someone's back and landed flat on my ass. I remember it being very very painful.

    The pain is centered directly on my tailbone, and it feels like my spine is broken at my tailbone. The pain is sharp and fairly local to the left side of the tailbone. It makes sitting and standing very painful. Also, the muscles in my low back, hip, and butt tense up and lock up usually once a year, which lasts about 5 or 6 days out of the year.

    Doctor's have examined me and simply prescribed pain killers, which get me through the 5 days fine. However, it flared up on friday, and there was a physical therapist present when it happened, and she felt around and deduced that my right hip is significantly higher than my left, and all of the muscles in my low back were hardened into balls. She said my lower spine might be completely out of whack, causing the spine pain, and the muscle pain is due to my muscles trying to compensate for a crooked tailbone. She highly recommended that I see a chiropractor.

    I've been wary of "alternative" medicine, and am terrified of having my spine messed around with. My wife is demanding that I see a chiropractor, but I'm just unsure as to whether it's safe, and more so, effective.

    And ideas? I guess it is reasonable to assume that a chripractor maybe able to readjust what may be a spine that out of alignment due to a severe impact...I also find it reasonable to assume that the human body can do it on its own.

    What should I do?
     
  2. RacerX_GTO

    RacerX_GTO F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 2, 2003
    14,647
    Oregon
    Full Name:
    Gabe V.
    Pfffttt..Painkillers. The MD's universal answer to everything.

    Back in 1991 I was riding in the backseat with some friends when we were rear ended while stopped at the stoplight. I was tossed upward and hit my head on the roof of the car compressing my neck discs like a closed accordian. Sharp pain and the inability to move my neck left or right followed.

    Long story short, chiropractic therapy, combined with therapy massage and a reconditioning(exercise) of the neck muscles over a span of two years put me back to normal again. The therapy treatment never hurt as bad as the collision. The muscles always tend to tighten up as a form of protective mode and in the process of doing that, they pull bones out of allignment. Chiropractic care corrects the misalligned bones and undo the tense muscles to allow for healing. It takes one second to knock you out of whack and a long grueling process to get back to normal.
     
  3. VTChris

    VTChris F1 World Champ

    Aug 21, 2005
    13,259


    I would not recommend a chiropractor. But I guess every situation is different. In my case, they came highly recommended, they do hollywood elite, athletes, yada yada, whatever. They made my back so bad I barely walked out of the office.
    I went on for a week in this condition, barely able to make it to work.
    Then........one morning I woke up, I couldn't get out of bed.
    Scared the daylights out of me. I Attmepted to get off my bed for about an hour. Finally, got to the floor and called 411 (almost 911).
    Got a number to the nearest ACCUPUNCTURE office. Believe me, when it comes to skeptisizm on this sort of practice, I was the head of the skeptics.
    Never wanted to go, read about, I dont care who told me what. I had no interest.
    The only reason I did call was because I could not move and they were around the block from where I lived.
    Took me about 2 hours to get there. literally crawled in to the office with about 6 people waiting. The lady took me straight to the back.
    Needle after Needle, front and back. For the record, the only one that hurt was the one on the upper lip right below the nose.
    The rest were pretty painless. None of that electrical shock treatment. Just Sterile (opened in front of me) needles, and ALOT of them. About an hour later, walked out like nothing ever happened. It was truly amazing.
    The owner did not even charge me. I recall her saying to me, "you paid enough with this pain you had." I was so grateful to her.
    I did send her some flowers a week later.

    This was 15 years ago. The pain just recently came back 2 yrs ago.
    I owe it all to a drunk that rear ended me at a stoplight going 40mph.

    I am considering going back to "my" accupuncturist.

    I am just waiting to see if it gets worse. (I am still a skeptic when it comes to accupunture.)

    So there you have it, that's my story and I'm stickin to it :D
     
  4. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Jul 14, 2003
    61,000
    In front of you
    Full Name:
    BCHC
    Chiropractor = Witch Doctor selling useless supplements!

    Lots of folks swear by accupuncture.
     
  5. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

    Dec 11, 2002
    5,966
    Milton, Wash.
    Full Name:
    Jeff B.
    My opinion: go get an MRI on your lower spine. It only takes an hour. If there is really something wrong, you're not doing yourself any favors by ignoring it or letting a chiropractor mess around with it. You could end up with permanent nerve damage. That's what happened to my wife.
     
  6. JaguarXJ6

    JaguarXJ6 F1 Veteran

    Feb 12, 2003
    5,533
    Black Hawk, CO
    Full Name:
    Sunny
    I have a damaged nerve on my lower right side and a hip that is 1-2 degrees out of whack that never bothered me until I injured myself twisting to crack my lower back in an office chair as a habit and I couldn't walk without assistance. My muscles were tense from moving several days before over the weekend and if I didn't try to crack my own lower back by twisting my torso 60-70 degrees to the right, I probably wouldn't have damaged my nerve at all.

    This happened almost a year ago and I have to regularly stretch and see a chiropractor once every quarter to massage and crack and keep things aligned. What I have sounds minor to your pain, it isn't more than a sharp stab if I over exert myself remedied by stretching and good posture.

    If you do anything at all, please go here, click on Rehab Exercises on the left, and open the PDFs to find exercices you can do that will help keep you limber. I'm 30 now, so I'm beginning to feel your pain.. good luck.
     
  7. dongerdude

    dongerdude Formula 3

    Mar 17, 2006
    1,200
    Full Name:
    Carl
    I'd second the advice on getting an MRI.

    Check out www.thebackcoach.com - unfortunately their back and neck stretchers are out of production at the moment (from what I've heard a new model is due out sometime this summer), but they get great reviews. You may be able to get one second hand somewhere (although I'm not entirely sure they were ever sold in the USA). An inversion table could maybe help if you can't get a backstretcher.

    The DVD they have has some good exercises - I have back trouble that sounds pretty similar to yours (twisted spine, hips out of line, locked up muscles holding it there) and have been using the DVD for a few weeks and am getting some relief. Not sure if it will work in the US though because of DVD regions - I know amazon in the UK sells the DVD, so amazon US may have a US market version.

    Are chiropractors different to osteopaths (also there may be some difference in the definitions on the 2 sides of the atlantic)? My dad swears by his osteopath, who examines your back and makes you do a load of everyday motions (stand up, sit down, sit at the computer, walk, etc, etc) all with your top off so that they can see how you use your back and what you are doing wrong. They then give you exercises to rectify the problem and take a look every week to see how you are improving.
     
  8. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

    Nov 1, 2003
    35,532
    Victory Circle
    Full Name:
    HUBBSTER
    where do you live ?

    I have an amazing in FL who made my messed up back feel like new again

    it would be worth a flight down for him to work on you
     
  9. Scotty

    Scotty F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2003
    10,395
    Oregon
    Full Name:
    Scotty Ferrari
    3rd on the MRI. You need to make sure you don't have spinal stenosis, a disc about to do something bad to your spinal chord, significant bone damage, etc., etc.

    I have had very good luck working with a medical orthopedist (so he doesn't do surgery) and a physical therapist. If there are muscle issues (imbalance, to tight, etc.) they can put you on a regimen of stretching, strenghtening, massages, deep tissue ultrasound, etc.

    As an MD, I am skeptical about accupuncture. My wife (also an MD) had her first two rounds of accupunture to help with inflamed tooth ligaments (she is trying to dodge the root canal bullet). She is also, of course, working with a dentist. Anyway, she is REMARKABLY better post accupunture.

    Once you know that you don't have a potentially dangerous structural issue, considering accupunture and chiropractic in addition to physical therapy might be worth while.

    Good Luck.
     
  10. TopCloser

    TopCloser Formula Junior

    Mar 20, 2006
    309
    Thanks for the help folks. I'll probably end up going the MRI route, and assuming it's merely muscle issues, I'll buy yoga/pilates/stretching DVDs to help unlock the pain.

    Today is a particularly bad day. I'm really hurting pretty bad. I want to cry. :(
     
  11. ^@#&

    ^@#& F1 World Champ
    BANNED

    Feb 27, 2005
    12,091
    If or when you go the the chircopractor, they will tell you to get an X-ray and/or an MRI before they try anything.


    I would highly recommend a chircopractor. They don't just crack your back. They can use sonar therapy or other types of massage therapy to unwind the tense muscles in the back. If they see on the X-ray and/or MRI that your back is out of alignment, then they will re-align it.

    When I was 15, my back hurt so much. I looked like a 15 year old, but I had the back of a 60 year old retired stuntman. I couldn't walk. My mom took me to one of the clinics that she runs, and they used this deep muscle massager on my lower back (I think it was a combination of sound and heat) and it made my pain go away. They determined that the reason my back hurt was because my abs weren't supporting my weight, rather my back was doing all the supporting. In the end, I started to work out, and I haven't had pain since.

    Chiropractors aren't as bad as people think they are. A good chiropractor knows what they are doing, and can help you remain pain free if it is a muscular problem or you are out of alignment. They won't re-align anything without permission.
     
  12. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    May 4, 2001
    36,262
    Birmingham, AL
    Full Name:
    Tommy
  13. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 F1 Rookie

    Oct 16, 2001
    4,995
    La mamma dei fessi
    Full Name:
    e sempre incinta
    MRI is a must! My chiropractor has never "cracked" my back. He is a sports chiro/therapist and uses the deep muscle message with heat and electo pulse. My back also goes tense about once a year, I do hardwood floors. After a few sessions things are back to normal. Be weary of anyone that just "cracks" there is much more to it than that. Get a good referal first.
     
  14. 150shot

    150shot Formula Junior

    Jun 15, 2003
    807
    San Dimas, CA
    Well this is another chiropractor vs. Orthopod vs. Physical Therapist vs. Accunpuncture...

    I work with very a bunch of highly respected Orthopods, and ALL of them here are AGAINST chiropractors. They all say its a waste of money since you will be getting adjusted for the rest of your life and throw money away at them...They all recommend some type of physical therapy , sometimes accupuncture/electro-stimulation, but again against Chiros.

    A good friend of mine is a great Chiro, and alot of my friends swear by them, and of course they have the same biased opinion, an orthopod will go with the option that makes the most $$..but for me, I've been lifting heavy weights for 10 years now, play competive racquetball, and WILL NOT let a chiro touch me...

    My best advice is youre very young, try all your options, everyone is different and will react differently to treatments. Find out whats really wrong and if you do get into an Orthopedic office, try and find one that specializes in Sports Med. it cant hurt and they will recommend some activity (dont know how active you are now ) as part of your treatment...good luck
     
  15. TopCloser

    TopCloser Formula Junior

    Mar 20, 2006
    309
    Oh my....I just spent the past hour doing some serious stretches (most of which I found on that website that wsposted here) and I feel GREAT. It still hurts when I sit, but I feel like a different person. After being prescribed vicodin/percocet/darvocet/morphine/soma for the past 15 years, it feels like the stretches I just did squeezed out the residual drugs that became locked up in my low back. I know this didn't acutally happen (the drug half life is far too short), but I'm riding a high that feels phenomenal. I may take an hour each morning and stretch the living hell out of my low back in order to get this thing to go away.

    This was the first time I actually tried stretching out my back (I used to be scared of it due to the severe pain), and I'm a true believer. THanks for the links...based on what 1 hour of stretching did, I'm guessing that a daily regimen will really increase my quality of life.
     
  16. wax

    wax Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Jul 20, 2003
    52,335
    SFPD
    Full Name:
    Dirty Harry
    Good on you for stretches - just don't do "traditional situps" - more harm than good.

    Did acupuncture when I was 12 & 13 yrs. old - excellent. Even cures colds & flu, kids!

    Chiropractic care ended misery after a couple accidents - one in which my car was used as a ramp by a drunk (I know where you live, wipe!) doing 100+ MPH. Neurologist milked me for 3 years, all the while saying Chiropractic was the worst... I went to a Chiropractor for 3 sessions & kissed 24-hour-a-day headaches & 10 prescriptions & the Neurologist's receptionist (Lisa, Lisa, Lisa) goodbye.
     
  17. quartermaster

    quartermaster Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2005
    1,826
    MRI and don't fear the bone-crackers--just get a good one. Regular medicine told me 30 years ago that I was '...a cripple...' and would never work again. With care, I've managed to get the last 30 out of my back with flareups maybe twice a year.
     
  18. ^@#&

    ^@#& F1 World Champ
    BANNED

    Feb 27, 2005
    12,091
    but you are still crippled in the brain.... Wipe up that drool...
     
  19. quartermaster

    quartermaster Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2005
    1,826
    Lend me your shirt.
     
  20. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Jul 14, 2003
    61,000
    In front of you
    Full Name:
    BCHC
    The warriors words havem teeth....
     
  21. quartermaster

    quartermaster Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2005
    1,826
    This warrior havem no teeth, and not likely to get them, either, without a different dental plan!
     
  22. JaguarXJ6

    JaguarXJ6 F1 Veteran

    Feb 12, 2003
    5,533
    Black Hawk, CO
    Full Name:
    Sunny
    Thats awesome! I take 10min each morning, 5 twice during the day at the office, 10min night and its like it never happened. Of course, as I sit here now in my Sealy Posturepedic office chair, my lower back is a little tense so I'm going to get up and stretch and have a smoke. Hehe.

    One thing that you might also find helpful is heat and cold therapy. Its a crude way of stimulating your muscles to contract and expand without putting pressure on your vertebrae or nerves because your muscles are fighting you. Not everyone has one of those electric gizmo's to stimulate your muscles (thanks, Darf!) but most can throw an ice pack into a folded towel and alternate between that and a warm bath.. take the bath first.

    When I went to my doctor on a recommendation I was hunched over and howling in the car trying to drive. I was scared for the first time in my life having no other physical illness but the common cold. I hobbled in and the first thing they had me do was sit in a position to reduce pressure on my lower back and after 20-30min did the vertebrae and muscle fingertip test while I tried to stand up but still remain comfortable. He helped me lift my right leg as if I was going to stomp on something and I swear it felt like a garden hose that became untangled.

    They shouldn't touch you with any kind of therapy, massaging, or cracking at all until they are unable to relieve pressure from posture and bending. They shouldn't do any of those without an MRI. The education in taking care of your body through lifestyle changes is the most important thing you will receive from your visits. Curative > corrective.

    Edit: P.S. Don't sit with your wallet in your back pockets.
     
  23. bonedoc

    bonedoc Karting

    Jul 31, 2004
    212

    Do you REALLY think that these people are going to send their business to the competition, even after you remove the egos? No offense, but car accidents are the leading cause of death in the united states, and going to the medical doctor is second. In fact, the last patient of mine that had back surgery died from it. These are not not made up, they are in JAMA.

    I am a chiropractor. My sister is a medical doctor. I refer to MDs. They refer to me. I cant STAND the egotistical, brain washing, self-centered doctors that can't have an open mind...for MDs and DCs.

    I know as many crappy MDs as I do DCs. The people that think they are not equal are UNEDUCATED, don't think for themseleves, and/or are biased. Do you know how many times I have had a patient bring their x-rays in, that their medical doctor took, and said they were fine...and they had BONE CANCER?

    And, as for the part about "always" having to go to a chiropractor...do you plan on "always" going to the dentist? What about always going to the doctor for a prostate exam after 50?

    Chiropractic is not just about helping people get over pain. It is also about staying healthy and in shape. If you wait to take care of your heart until your first symtom of heart disease, your first symptom will probably be a heart attack.

    We help people recover..and we help those with musculoskeletal disese keep going. It is their desicion to get treated for the rest of their life. They see what it does for them.

    to the patient:

    Obviously, you still have control of your legs and still have conrol of your bowels. You don't need surgery. Pain is an indicator that something is wrong. Take limited pain killers to get over the hump. It seems like a better decision to exhaust all conservative methods and use surgery as a last resort. A bad decision is to have surgery when you have not given safe, non-invasive treatment a long, hard try.

    Don't do what people tell you. Do what you think is safe and smart. To me, it sounds like you have a chronic disc problem that flares up every year. Do a google search and see what you can find. Half of my patients have disc problems in the low back. Almost 95% of them have success with treatment in my clinic. How can you argue against trying that?
     
  24. bonedoc

    bonedoc Karting

    Jul 31, 2004
    212

    Do you REALLY think that these people are going to send their business to the competition, even after you remove the egos? No offense, but car accidents are the leading cause of death in the united states, and going to the medical doctor is second. In fact, the last patient of mine that had back surgery died from it. These are not not made up, they are in JAMA.

    I am a chiropractor. My sister is a medical doctor. I refer to MDs. They refer to me. I cant STAND the egotistical, brain washing, self-centered doctors that can't have an open mind...for MDs and DCs.

    I know as many crappy MDs as I do DCs. The people that think they are not equal are UNEDUCATED, don't think for themseleves, and/or are biased. Do you know how many times I have had a patient bring their x-rays in, that their medical doctor took, and said they were fine...and they had BONE CANCER?

    And, as for the part about "always" having to go to a chiropractor...do you plan on "always" going to the dentist? What about always going to the doctor for a prostate exam after 50?

    Chiropractic is not just about helping people get over pain. It is also about staying healthy and in shape. If you wait to take care of your heart until your first symtom of heart disease, your first symptom will probably be a heart attack.

    We help people recover..and we help those with musculoskeletal disese keep going. It is their desicion to get treated for the rest of their life. They see what it does for them.

    to the patient:

    Obviously, you still have control of your legs and still have conrol of your bowels. You don't need surgery. Pain is an indicator that something is wrong. Take limited pain killers to get over the hump. It seems like a better decision to exhaust all conservative methods and use surgery as a last resort. A bad decision is to have surgery when you have not given safe, non-invasive treatment a long, hard try.

    Don't do what people tell you. Do what you think is safe and smart. To me, it sounds like you have a chronic disc problem that flares up every year. Do a google search and see what you can find. Half of my patients have disc problems in the low back. Almost 95% of them have success with treatment in my clinic. How can you argue against trying that?
     
  25. rcm360

    rcm360 Formula Junior

    Nov 16, 2003
    343
    Kansas
    Full Name:
    Reese
    I have been going to a chiropractor for many years after long felt back pain. They key is going to one that stretches your muscles around your spin and then adjusts you. If your guys just cracks you it will not solve the main issue which is tight muscles around your spine.
     

Share This Page