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  1. pastmaster

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    #51 pastmaster, Mar 20, 2007
    Maybe I'm putting the "Death Kiss", on this topic by including ZIL and Luigi Colani, into the discussion, but I consider him a brilliant Designer, such as Pablo Picasso, was a talented artist.

    Packard Motor Company, was also the Premier American Builder of Automobiles that transended Art into Design, before WWII. I was in the Motor City Packard Chapter for several years, and met many fine Owners and their Cars. Enzo Ferrari himself, became enamoured with the V12's Aura, after he heard a V12 (Twin Six), as they were referred to then, in a Packard Race Car, of all things!

    Anyway, here's the link on Luigi Colani, from the NY Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/automobiles/04COLANI.html?ex=1174536000&en=0dfec0011a4c406d&ei=5070

    AutoSovietSite, if of interest;

    http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/main-english.htm

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  2. GTSguy

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    #52 GTSguy, Mar 20, 2007
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    Hey pastmaster - Great examples! Far from missing the 'ethos' I think that you're right on target. I have never heard of Colani. Reading the NYT article sort of put me off (too few images, too much ego...). But dang, there's a lot of thought in these designs. Check out Colani's own web site: http://www.colani.de/werk.php?lang=en Colani pics below....

    Also really like the Zill stuff. I think the only Zill I have seen was at the Blackhawk Museum. The BH web site says nothing .... If the car I saw is same brand (which judgeing by the looks it must be) I remember it as being quite impressive. Everything was solid and over scaled. Like much eastern block design of the day, the styling seemed to be heading off where US designers had been before the war. The Zill design seemed to go on as if newer design concepts didn't exist. No doubt russian stylists had little contact with current designs. The end product was a sort of hybrid - quite interesting...... Seem to recall that the engine was not up to the car's weight....

    If you don't know it the Zill is like the Tatra. Tatra did some wild rear engine alum. V8 cars..... see: http://www.tatraworld.nl/tatra_world-linksurvey.htm

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  3. t walgamuth

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    #53 t walgamuth, Mar 20, 2007
    great stuff guys!

    that colani is a fellow after my heart. i love amorphic shapes too.

    the russian site has that very nice looking silver one box wagon design. i also liked the front end of that limo.

    and i liked all that stuff shown on the colani website. i liked the coffee(?) cups.

    thanks for sharing.

    tom w
     
  4. audihenry

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  5. GTSguy

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    #55 GTSguy, Mar 21, 2007
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    Hey Henry - that last Colani (the car) reminds me of some Nike shoes. Really. Wish that there was more stuff on both Colani and Zil...... Did you see the Zills Studebaker inspired 'topedo' roadster? Would love to see that!

    Have long liked biomorphic stuff. Much seems like a sort of cartoonist futurism. Its fun and approachable - though hard to fabricate. Many of these forms have been the basis for (streamlined) auto design over the years. Toward that end, Chilean artist Roberto Matta's paintings are quite interesting. Matta studied both painting and architecture. He even worked in Corbusier's office for a while (see: http://www.rogallery.com/matta_roberto/matta-biography.htm)

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  6. TX907

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    #56 TX907, Mar 21, 2007
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    Another AC and Cobra-like car - the Siata. I believe these date from the early 50's.
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  7. tritone

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    #57 tritone, Mar 21, 2007
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    Jon - Matta reminds me a bit of the artist whose work was featured in the 'Alien' flix; but I can't remember his name; very biomorphic/dark/moody/scary when CGI-animated even....who was it?

    (edit) Hans Giger (wikipedia) quick google of images.....
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  8. t walgamuth

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    #58 t walgamuth, Mar 21, 2007
    oh yeah, very nice, about 51 or 52 i believe. the bumperettes are vey cobra like.

    i have from time to time pondered if those bumperettes would look good on my pf coupe.

    tom w
     
  9. tritone

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    #59 tritone, Mar 21, 2007
    Nice article in January issue of AutoAfficionado pg. 46 on the 208's.
    Also a nice book; OTTO VU by Tony Adriansens. www.corsaresearch.com

    Same issue has an article on Tom Meade, with nice period shots.
    'Thomassima' ring a bell for anyone? Nembo Spyder?
     
  10. t walgamuth

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    #60 t walgamuth, Mar 24, 2007
    i was watching the movie grand prix again today and realized another example of a car copying ferrari.

    the 65 mustang fastback is a pretty good copy of a tdf roofline above the belt of the car.

    looks pretty excellent too. one of the best ever mustang designs, imho.

    tom w
     
  11. GTSguy

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  12. t walgamuth

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    #62 t walgamuth, Mar 28, 2007
    very nice cars,

    thanks for sharing.

    tom w
     
  13. t walgamuth

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    #63 t walgamuth, Mar 31, 2007
    now, i originally thought for a minute that this thread was asking have any ferraris influenced BUILDING design.

    and i thought of an answer to that question, so here goes.

    i cannot say they have, but i did design a church which used what i call a "light scoop" that is modeled after the air scoops that are mounted above the drivers head in F1.

    it looks pretty cool.

    unfortunately the design has never been built.

    tom w
     
  14. Zegna

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    #64 Zegna, Mar 31, 2007
    I reckon there is a connection between Frank Lloyd Wright's cantilevered house "Fallingwater", and Chrysler's lost concept car with cantilevered roof: Norseman.

    Sure, it may just a technique of design, but you have to say that it is quite a feat. The house was designed in 1935, while the car was in 1956.

    IMO, both are quite stunning.
     
  15. GTSguy

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    #65 GTSguy, Apr 5, 2007
    Tom - it would be great to see some images of this design! The more I think about the original question the more it seems rather impossible. Sure Ferraris ahve influenced architecture (and vice versa) but the question is way to grand. These sort of influences are bit here, bit there.

    Art Deco was deeply influenced by two architectural concepts. First, mass production and second, streamlining. It's impossible to say which direction the ideas flew - they went both ways. Art Deco and Bauhaus designs were to look mass produced - with a goal toward saving production costs. Mass production of buildings (and design objects) wasn't really feasible at the time, attepmts to do so were very expensive. Streamlining was a bit more feasible for both cars and buildings....
     
  16. t walgamuth

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    #66 t walgamuth, Apr 5, 2007
    falling water is an unparalleled masterpiece. about ten years ago though the cantilevers were beginning to sag and they had to rebuild them. it is worth a pilgrimage.

    tom w
     
  17. t walgamuth

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    #67 t walgamuth, Apr 5, 2007
    i will try to remember to take pics and post them here.

    tom w
     
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