Just curious, whats the difference.. GTS and GTSi
I think that the i is for injected, post-1980 cars. Thats my guess, but I'm sure you'll get lots of replies here in a few minutes. James in Denver
This 'i' nomenclature came when it was braggable to mention it (like "E" on German cars for 'einsprintzing') and Ferrari 512BB which became BBi. Once injection became more commonplace, the 'i' got dropped and the 'in' thing was four valves, thus 308 qv ("quattrovalvole"). Then when four valve technology was established, we get the 328s, which are both injected and four valves, but by that time, no need to glamorize either. The suffix usually just helps identify a period of then current innovation.
I'm pretty certain that the answer to that is no. The switch from the gt4 to the Mondial came in 1980, the same time as the switch to fuel injection. I suppose a few injected gt4s may have been made as prototypes, but if so they stayed in the factory.
Thanks Jim. I've been calling around various repair shops trying to get as educated as possible. This info helps.
No factory ones. There's one Fchatter who has a GT4 converted to a Mondial K-jet injection system back in the day.
If "they" is the Ferrari factory I think the answer is no. If "they" is a Ferrari repair shop in San Jose in 1984 then the answer is yes. As far as I know I have the only CIS GT4.
QV's still had GTSi or GTBi on the fuse box cover aka fake glove box. The "i" wasn't completely dropped until 328's when GTB or GTS appeared both on the fuse box cover and rear panel. Dave
GT's were Carburated and had much more power say about 265-270 hp, while having more power they are now a pain to pass emmision laws. The GTi's were fuel injected, this started in aboujt mid 1980, the hp and torque both suffered from this switch going from 265hp to 214hp and something like 208 lbs of torque. Along with the injected cars came the miserable crappy oil burners which were around mid 1980-1982, Not all were subjected to burning oil and catching fire if maintained properlery. But in my opinion the 308 Quatrovallve is the ultimate in the line of these cars while being great with smog emmisons they get the power back from carburated cars.
My car is one of the earliest injected cars you will ever find (probably in the first 10). It is #31775 and was completed in April 1980. It was part of the recall - Ferrari flew an engine over from Italy and had it installed in the car in 1982. It is a great car...not crappy at all. Ps - for those without Ferraris, a crappy 1980-82 308 is probably better than not having one at all...
Make sure you call BMW. Apparently they were worried someone would think the new 2007 335i has carbs.
I've got #31311...by some accounts, it's the #2 US version GTSI. Right now I can't recall what the month/date are on the vin panel though. 80 GTSI's started at #31309 and GTBI's started at #31327... which actually makes the 1st GTBI the 10th injected car. Info is from Keith Blumel's "Original Ferrari V-8"
Im not saying that injected cars suck, these are facts ive gotten out of Forza. Somebody is taking this the wrong way!
Hmnnn.... Someone had told us a very long time ago that my car was a very early injected car.... Probably when we had the engine switched and that assumption has lasted ever since... Mine is still pretty early but not quite as early as I thought. Meister, I bet you have a bare aluminum nardi wheel like I do...??
Hmmmm, remember that there is also a 335d with diesel engine. Hence the i. All BMW gas engines still get the i The BMW diesels are awesome performers, by the way. I've got a 2000 vintage 330d, which is very nice. A good friend has a 535d with its twin turbos (one small and one big turbo, no turbo lag and 285 hp from a 3 liter diesel engine, with more torque than a 2007 Corvette). This engine is simply out of this world. Nowadays, a 3 liter diesel can give a 5 liter gas engine a good run for its money! Hans
Here is something interesting about that inside emblem; the first injected cars used the GTS inside, not GTSi. Since it happens to be the very same one that is on the back of the cars, Ferrari simply used up its stock of the GTS emblems and then started putting the GTSi inside when they ran out. Most (probably not all) 80 models (injected) all had GTS only inside. When the QV went into production the "i" was dropped from any official factory written reference to those models. Since ALL the QV's were injected, there was no need to distinguish the 4V cars in this manner. Ferrari now had a large stock of GTSi emblems to contend with since at that point only 308 and Quattrovalvole appeared out back. They just used those up inside. So even though my 84 has GTSi stuck on the fuse box panal, it has GTS on the owner's manual. I know, that's more than any really needs to know...
Unfortunately, very few diesel powered cars are available in the states where they still have a reputation for being noisy and smelly not to mention difficulty getting them to meet emission standards here. It's a shame since diesels offer perhaps the best way to get excellent fuel economy. Dave
I do have the bare Aluminum wheel. I also checked my trim tag and mine says March 1980. Thus there may be more to the story.... So if my #31311 was finished in March 80 and your #31775 was finished April 80, how could there be 230 some serial numbers between the two cars? (I'm assuming consecutive odd numbers between the two). Even if one was 3/1 & the other was 4/30, thats' 61 days.... 230 cars = 3.5+ cars/day (including) Mondi 8's... Was the factory producing cars at the rate? You're right though, given the build date your car is definetly one of the early "I" cars. It would be so great if there were a registry/function/subforum on F-chat where people could input their serial numbers/build dates and it could be listed in chronological order.
