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A few things ferrari SHOULD do...

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Carsonp, Apr 5, 2007.

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  1. zjpj

    zjpj F1 Veteran

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    Price embarrassing? hahaha. Yeah, everyone who paid $200,000 for a car they could sell the next day for $250,000 is probably pretty embarrassed.

    I like normally aspirated engines and am glad that Ferraris supercars don't need forced injection anymore.


    I agree.
     
  2. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    Beauty is in the eye...

    I can't stand the current Lamborghini or Aston-Martin designs.
     
  3. TOTLDOM

    TOTLDOM Rookie

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    I agree. Ferrari's are race cars. A no-frills model shows what the car really is at heart. However, we all like a little leather now and then...ok, a LOT of leather...
     
  4. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The Gallardo is okay, but the new Aston's are very handsom. The new Mazer isn't bad either.
     
  5. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    how about a real Modena style conv top for the V12s

    why dont Italians understand this ?
     
  6. James_Woods

    James_Woods F1 World Champ

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    Thank you, sir.

    I do, however, notice a disturbing silence about the front engine models.

    Is it not obvious that there will have to sooner or later be new models to replace the current line? It is my sincere hope that PF or whoever Ferrari has at the computer console for those can return to some design sanity and the Ferrari tradition of good taste.

    And to add some more fuel to the fire, I would like to see a mid-engine 12 cylinder model that fits in at the top of the production range, but was under the Enzo level. Like the 512TR, for example. I would feel horrified if Ferrari knuckles under to the V10 trend at this late date...after it practically rebuilt the 12 cylinder legend single handedly after WW2.
     
  7. ZINGARA 250GTL

    ZINGARA 250GTL F1 World Champ
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    I'd really like to help you but, I just can't seem to get my last two (360, 575M) to require repair. Of course, having a session with the chief mechanic and reading the manual cover-to-cover might have something to do with it. My old Lusso-different story.



     
  8. ZINGARA 250GTL

    ZINGARA 250GTL F1 World Champ
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    0-60 is for kids, like the old Kix commercial. Stoplight to stoplight is not driving. Doing a curvy road while gauging entry speed, transmission only, is driving. Sustained speed over 130mph (no traffic please) is driving. Enjoying and not needing to "smoke" anyone is driving. Challenging your own prowess is driving. Try that sometime.




     
  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    90% of the repairs we do are an act of human intervention. In the dealer it was a higher number due to warranty work. Those acts of human intervention take the form of misuse and abuse accounting for about half and poor prior repairs accounting for the other half. I know some percentage of the owners cannot do it but when the car breaks the mirror will usually show the cause.

    Most of the clients I have had over the years that used their Ferrari as a daily driver considered it among the most reliable of cars in their ownership history.
     
  10. ZINGARA 250GTL

    ZINGARA 250GTL F1 World Champ
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    Thank you, you logical devil you!




     
  11. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Well let's just hope your good fortune continues.
     
  12. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I would like to add one more thing Ferrari needs to do and that is, STOP PRICE GOUGING. You guys know good and well you mark up the prices on parts YOU DO NOT MAKE. The exact same parts that can be found on cars of other makes. I can see a 20% or 30% mark up, but there are some parts you guys have marked up from 100% - 1,000%+.

    Quit the gouging.
     
  13. RAllen

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    From my POV the prob is that one can't be confident that a brand new Ferrari, right off the showroom floor, will be in delivered in proper condition. Not to mention poorly thought out sound system choices, etc. ALthough it looks like Ferrari may switch to Bose. A good thang! :)

    Of course one could simply refuse to take delivery .... and Ferrari know that they'd turn the car over in a heart-beat. Now add protected territories making it difficult to shop elsewhere. So, no incentive to improve. Either at the corporate level or, more importantly (methinks), at the *dealer* level.

    Peace,

    Richard.
     
  14. RAllen

    RAllen Formula Junior

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    I agree that the statement you replied to is fallacious, at best. But .... those days are gone. From now on, expect dealers to sell at "market value." W/F-Corporate's blessings.

    It looks like Ferrari have entered into a new era. What their new modus operandi will bring .... only you can decide.

    BTW, I was shopping for a 997 Turbo and was put off by scalping (among other things, like dealer arrogance). $50K over list was not unheard of. Which is a higher percentage of Porsche's MSRP than F430 scalpers were/are asking.

    WTS, I shall still consider Porsche for my next sportscar.

    Peace,

    Richard.
     
  15. RAllen

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    Hmm, not I. I dislike leather in a sportscar. And detest Alcantara.

    Peace,

    Richard.
     
  16. Fan512bbi

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  17. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I would agree the current crop of Lambos have surpassed the latest Ferrari sports cars (F430/Spider), and Aston have surpassed the touring cars (599/612) aesthetically.

    Ferrari should find the next Leonardo Fioravanti or Pinin Farina (the elder) to come up with a cohesive, signature, original look for their cars.

    The flagship should certainly be mid-engined like its F1 cars. If racing is the raison d'etre for Ferrari, it's odd that you can only find its race-winning configuration in the 'entry level' F430 or the basically unavailable Enzo.
     
  18. Italian Lover

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    Turbo is great, but why don't you consider GT3 or GT3RS for driving purity and pleasure. There's still more FUN left. Jimmy
     
  19. pippo

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    Ferrari should make their wheels forged, not cast, eh? And for that matter, anything that porsche has an edge, match or beat em!
     
  20. ColomboV12

    ColomboV12 Rookie

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    At some time there is a HP wall that will be hit...a 1000bhp is nice for trailer queens like the Bugatti but for real cars driven by Mortals on the street, its just not practical and a 650bhp vett is only the start of what will end up a race to 1000bhp. Once that wall is hit, Vetts and Vipers will be right next to Ferrari.
    Look at it this way, in the 1960s Vetts and Cobras had more Hp and were faster than most Street Ferraris. At least now the Ferrari more than compete.
     
  21. Modulo_B

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    The good old days indeed. Now that's a Ferrari!!
     
  22. Modulo_B

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    -Well, as long as it has a REAL pininfarina design, i could go for the classic front engine/rear drive thing. For me, of the modern mid-engine machines only the 360 does it in the design department. Great looking car!
     
  23. tomberlin

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    I'm sure some of this has to do with who's doing the service also. A fair portion of reliability is the tech's ability to solve problems before they occur by being familiar with the car and being conscienious.
    Brian: By the way, as a mechanic working on more mundane cars I appreciate all the input you share on this site.
    Tom
     

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