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How driving an F430 changed how I view all cars

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  1. janstett

    janstett Rookie

    Nov 20, 2005
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    Joe Anstett
    Last summer I drove several exotic cars (Bentley GT, Aston-Martin DB9, Lamborghini Gallardo, F430, Ford GT, Z06), I've been meaning to post a few thoughts that have been on my mind regarding the F430.

    I make a decent living but not quite Ferrari decent (yet). My attainable dream cars at the moment are a Cayman S or a Z06. I currently drive (and race) an 86 Porsche 944 Turbo and a 2000 Trans Am.

    I paid for the opportunity to drive the six exotics listed above with a club out of Miami. I have been a Lamborghini fan since childhood and have always followed the charging bull more closely than the prancing horse. Ferraris were of secondary interest to me, quite frankly because Lamborghinis were so outrageous. On that day, I test drove the Lamborghini Gallardo and in my mind I had finally found heaven, automotive nirvana.

    Then came my chance to drive the F430. That car plunged its fist into my chest and grabbed my heart. I don't have to describe the experience to those of you who own a copy of this wonderful machine, but for the benefit of those who, like me, are enthusiastic onlookers, please indulge me. Getting inside, the cockpit is purpose built, something special, I felt like I was climbing into an Apollo capsule. Versus the Lamborghini, which was nice, but felt too normal -- especially with the Audi-sourced HVAC and flat-spot steering wheel. The Ferrari was a space ship by comparison.

    The sound that engine makes -- I've always been a fan of burbling American V8s, but that Ferrari V8, the combination of rumble and high pitched mechanicals, it's music. I was amazed by how quickly the engine revs -- climbing through the gears passes much more quickly than on other sports cars. Speaking of sounds, the bark it gives when you downshift -- a combination of a bulldog bark and a horse's bray -- is my new favorite sound in the entire world, I'll never forget that.

    The steering was perfect (almost telepathic), the car was perfectly balanced. I drove the car as twilight was setting on the mountains near West Point, NY, and the moment was perfect. The setting sun combined with that wonderful machine were poetic, it literally makes me wistful and emotional to think about it.

    In short, the F430 has ruined me for all other cars, it will forever be the yardstick by which I compare everything else. It has stolen me away from my dreams of Lamborghinis -- now that I've driven one, I know the passion of a Ferrari. Those of you who have one, enjoy it, and I hope to some day be amongst your ranks.
     
  2. Ferrari_Michael

    Ferrari_Michael Formula Junior

    Nov 30, 2006
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    Do you know what, EVERY time i go to get into that car, from the small blip form the alarm, to when you open the door and you hear the F1 pump prime, sit in that seat, turn the key, ge the 3/4 beeps and the dash tells you all is OK, to hitting that magical button, THEN flipping the switch onto 'Race' with those beeps as you got through them, then holding it at the CST off position for a few secs, then BAM, hit the accelerator and the noise, feelings, smells, all your senses liven 10 fold, the car doing that vibrating, pushing, egging you on feeling thing it does....
    I know the exact feeling you have about the car, (the Enzo is a further yard stick though), my friends 06 E-Gear Gallardo is pathetic in comparison, Audi Head unit, your arse scraping on the floor, Audi Flip key, the feeling nothing is bespoke! The Ferrari feels, looks, acts special, the driving position of the F430 (and 360 alike) is spot on.
    Great post, do evrything you can to have a Ferrari without struggling!

    (just a question, but whenever I get into the 430, if the steeringwheel is slightly on the piss, I have to correct it before start the engine, does anyone else or am I a lunatic?)
     
  3. GCalo

    GCalo F1 Veteran

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    How true it all is!

    Ferrari creates a more lasting effect than a woman and with a whole hell of a lot less aggrivation!

    Save your pennies and get a Ferrari.

    What Ferrari has forgotten the other makers should learn!
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Oh how can that be?

    After all the magazines say..............
     
  5. krC2S

    krC2S Karting

    Dec 7, 2006
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    very nice write up Joe...hope you get one soon
     
  6. carbon_00

    carbon_00 Formula Junior

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    I would agreee, I'll always have one in my garage...always.

    Try the BMW M6...helluva ride, I've had mine about 2 weeks and loooove it.
     
  7. Tarek K.

    Tarek K. F1 World Champ

    Sep 7, 2006
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    Wow, great write-up. Great description of thoughts and feelings. The best I have ever read.
     
  8. dave_fonz_164

    dave_fonz_164 Formula 3

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    After a back to back ride in 430, 911Turbo and 911GT3, the 430 was the one that blew me away, the combination of style,feel,drama,sound and performance makes the others seem so boring and staid
     
  9. fun-meter

    fun-meter Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2006
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    I feel the same every time I get in our F430. You have that feeling inside you that you know that is something special. I've sat in a lot of supercars to see what they are like (you cant always have your way and test drive them), including a CCR, Gallardos, CLK DTM, GT3s, 997s, Enzo, Zonda F, 599 etc... And the F430/ 599GTB still beats most of them (the Zonda F is close, followed by the Enzo). Although, I like most supercars, so not one to complain! :)
     
  10. leead1

    leead1 F1 Rookie

    Nov 29, 2006
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    Joe what a thoughtful write up, great job! I own a F430 F1 & a Ford GT plus some other cars. I love the F430 but I find the Ford GT great also. You never mentioned the drive in the FGT, how did it compare.

    I must admit I did not like the Z06. It has numb steering. I have not driven a Bentley or an Aston Martin. I love the look of the cars but I am into sport cars at least at this stage of my life.

    I recently drove the Gallardo & the Murci. I was interested in adding a Murci to my stable because it was a niche I do not have. I think both cars are beautiful in appearance. I did not like the Murci. While not stiff it is not agile and the E-gear is slow at least compared to the F1 on my F430. The ride is harsh, not a refined car in my humble view. I walked away thinking the Murci was not a drivers car but only a car for show.

    The Gallardo was different. This was a 6 speed and it, while not as agile as the ferrari or the FGT it was not a bad car. It could be an alternative for the F430. The Gallardo was a 2007 and the Murci was a new 2006 roadster. The dealership says they will call me when they get in a LP640 roadster. They say it is a much better car.

    One suggestion on what you might want to look at is the Lotus elise or Esprit. I have the Elise Sport which is the racing version and it is a supercar in everything other than price. it is very quick but not up the a F430. Handling I think is a better feel than the F430. It is dirt cheap on gas yet is as much or more fun than most anything else. The engine and drive train is Toyota so it should be very reliable. great cars for a toy, better than a Boxter. The older 911 say 1999-2001 are in the $29-$32k range and they while not being a Ferrari are very damn good cars and easy to live with and go on trips.

    Good luck on whatever you do, and thank you for the insight on your experience.

    Lee
     
  11. azew

    azew Formula Junior

    Jul 4, 2006
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    I agree - once you own an F430, you ARE ruined on all other cars - I am still trying to find a satisfying daily driver and nothing - NOTHING - is remotely acceptable - all because of the F430s - guess that is why I needed to have a spider and coupe!
     
  12. J. Salmon

    J. Salmon F1 Rookie
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    Though I have not been in a 430, I have driven a 328, 360, have owned a 355, and now have a 512 TR. I cannot explain it, but the same genes are clearly apparent in all of these cars. The 328 cannot touch the speed of my RS4. But it has sooo much more spirit, it's not a comparison. Right now I am fortunate enough to enjoy the TR, but if the tables turn, I will try to find the rattiest old 308 on death's door just to feed my addiction. There simply is no substitute.
     
  13. peloton

    peloton Karting

    Jul 6, 2005
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    Ashland, OR
    Ok, guys, my turn to attempt to wax poetic:

    Today I took my 430 spider to the Ferrari Challenge races at Infineon raceway in California. I was not going to be able to track the car but was motivated to go see (and listen to and smell) the Ferrari historic disc race cars (e.g., 3 512BB LM's, 2 250 GTO's, a Daytona Competizione), get my chest thumped and ears mangled by 6 or 7 FXX's going at each other, see the drum brake racers sliding around every corner - it was a treat, for sure.

    But the biggest treat was what would otherwise be a boring freeway drive of 75 miles each way. But in the spider, on a 70 degree sunny day, windows and top down of course, darting in around traffic with abandon during lane changes, cruising both ways over the Golden Gate Bridge, accelerating briskly through 1st and 2nd into 3rd gear from every stoplight in San Francisco---ahhh, that was heaven.

    It was so good that after 3 hours of watching the race cars, what I most wanted to do was get back in mine but this time I headed for the twisties in the coastal mountains between Infineon and the pacific ocean. Sun lowering in the west, carving 100's of corners at 7/10th or 8/10th pace, again the sound, the killer brakes, just admiring the red stitching on the black dashboard and the assymetrical shape of the steering wheel - I was in love all over again with this car.

    Now I've had a 550 Maranello, a Challenge Stradale, an 06 Gallardo, and an assortment of hot-rodded Porsches, BMW's, even a Mercedes or two. and they are all fine cars - but none of them, not a one, has the combination that tickles all the senses at once - physical, aural, olfactory, aesthetic, and with the racing provenance of Ferrari, the emotional as well.

    Now I've currently got 7 other cars, and secretly (don't yell at me) I like my little white Elise almost as much as the Ferrari, but that red over black 430 just does it all for me and if any of you are into keeping yours primarily as a garage queen, what a shame. I've tracked the 430 a few times, and have 5 more track days booked between now and mid-June...yeeeehaaaah!!!!
     
  14. modenaboy

    modenaboy Karting

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    I agree on both the 430 and the Elise. The 430 is awesome, it is my favorite car in every way. I can't believe what an experience driving that car is - whether just going down the highway or shuttling to work, or enjoying the twisties (OK the twisties are the best!) - can't wait to try it on the track. I'm amazed at how well it does on a tight mountain road, considering how powerful it is - not a handful at all, but incredibly communicative and lively with supremely accessible power and handling.

    Purely for the driving experience, however, the Elise is a very close second, and at the price, for an enthusiast who loves driving, the Elise is superb! Whenever I get into my Elise I have to find some twisties, and since it isn't a very powerful car, you can actually nail the throttle more often and hold it down, and the handling and steering wheel feel is magnificent (the full throttle moments in an F430 on the street are somewhat rare and short lived...)
     
  15. RedRacer

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    I own a 2004 1 spider with BMC air filters, Tubi exhaust, and CS cam timing, and just test drove a 2006 430 f1 spider yesterday. Wow!!! A huge difference from the 360, even with my extras. Now I will need to sell my 360 to get the 430. I was truly amazed.

    It was also intersting to note that they improved the AC on the 430 and the stereo on the 430 is easier to see.
     
  16. leead1

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    You and the other gentleman, pleton or something close to that handle, said it perfectly.

    I am simply amazed at the Lotus Elise. It has a handling feel like none other and as you say, you can wind it out. They are also cheap to run, gas is nothing.

    The cost to purchase the Elise is so low for the feeling the car gives you and in my view its supercar personality.

    Love both,

    Lee
     
  17. Testacojones

    Testacojones F1 Veteran

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    Nice write up to the original poster.

    How in the world can someone mention any BMW after this write up? Not bashing BMW, but come on really.
     
  18. racerdj

    racerdj F1 Veteran
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    Thank you for all the write-ups as I can't add another thing!! Very well writen and very true indeed!!!
     
  19. Doug.

    Doug. F1 Rookie
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    A friend of mine had a similar experience with a 430.

    He previously drove the 348, 355, 360, CS, some 550's and a 575. He commented how good or great each one was to drive, then once he drove the 430 everything else was pretty much boring after that.

    LOL.
     
  20. Turbo03

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    Agree with all the above.
    As a person who gets 6 car magazines per month, I have also noticed a distinct LACK of intrerest in al the other cars that are written up.

    Ferrari guy for life!
     
  21. Tarek K.

    Tarek K. F1 World Champ

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    Yes SIR ;).
     
  22. janstett

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    Thanks, Lee.

    One more thought on the F430, unfortunately my car had the flappy paddles and not a conventional manual. However, for those out there wondering, it shifts HARD. Climbing gears, one is reminded of the scene in Apollo 13 when the stage 1 engines cut out and the crew are thrown forwards in their seats; then the 2nd stage rockets kick in and they are thrown back. The F430 did its best impression of that scene, what a ride.

    I didn't want to get too detailed with the other cars I test drove, but I'll indulge the urge, with an eye towards comparison with the F430.

    Lamborghini Gallardo -- I grew up loving Lamborghinis, had Countach posters on my wall as a kid, followed through the range to the present day. Always a Lamborghini topped my dream list. When I sat inside the Gallardo, I was disappointed that it was so "normal". It was nice, but not quite the space ship I was expecting. For example, don't ask me why they did this but the Gallardo has conventional doors, no trademark Lamborghini scissors here. The interior had parts straight out of the Audi parts bin. The Gallardo looks small, very neat and tidy, compared to the other cars. I was struck with how small it appeared. Starting it up, it was rather civilized, I thought having a Lamborghini V10 behind my head would have been more of an experience. Ferrari got that part right in spades -- the F430 is a visual/aural feast for the enthusiast. The Gallardo was restrained in comparison. It was certainly fast and handled well. The sweet spot of my test drive loop was a hairpin uphill onramp, I used that to judge the handling of the cars undre pressure. The Gallardo certainly clawed its way up magnificently. As I said, until I drove the F430, I thought the Gallardo was as good as it gets, just more understated than I expected from a Lamborghini. The F430 simply rocked my world when I least expected it -- a knock upside one's head. Comapring to the F430, the Gallardo should be better on paper; but the Gallardo lacks passion while the Ferrari has it in spades.

    Ford GT. It sure looked beautiful approaching it in the dusk with the foggy mist clinging to it. A beautiful, purpose built car, the reasonable facsimile of the original legend. Getting inside, everything I had read about was true -- the spartan toggle switches, the notch in the door, et al. Before I go further, I suppose I should summarize my thoughts lest I be misunderstood. The Ford GT is a car I'm very glad Ford built, but I don't think I could live with it. That and I think it would take patience to master that car, it's not something I could take to a track day and let it rip. It's a car that demands respect or it will kill you, that's my impression. Once in the drivers seat, I closed the door (careful not to scalp myself). The door is very flat and leaves nowhere to rest one's arm, so my arm was tilted upwards against the window at a 15 degree angle. The pedal arrangement was very tight and awkward from wheel-well intrusion. I've been told the AC Cobras are like this too from the bell housing intrusion, so you kind of have to sit with your legs angled towards a small area to work the pedals. The shifter, while beautifully milled, also threw me, as it's mounted on somewhat of an angle slanted towards the driver. Thus what someone new to the car would expect to be 1st gear actually ends up being 3rd gear, and stalling ensues. The GT's visibility is that of a German pillbox, very hard to see out of, especially with the tiny T-Rex arm style rear view mirrors. But once underway, it was a blast. Very, very tight supsension (going over washboard pavement, my voice vibrated as if I were getting a karate-chop massage). Very nice suspension for the track, but I never felt comfortable with the power. I knew to beware. Twisting through the mountains, there was a very slight unsettling aspect to the rear -- not major, but reminiscent of the old pre-993 Porsche 911s. I expect it's the tall motor -- basically Ford's already tall DOHC with a supercharger on top. Though mid-engined I think the high CoG was a small bit unsettling with the rear's dynamics. I'm curious to know if they snap oversteer at the track. When it was time to turn around, I pulled into a convenience store parking lot to do a K-turn. That was an event! Imagine two guys in a Ford GT with both doors open looking backwards to make sure they didn't hit anything and then putting it in 3rd and stalling. On the return trip I played with the power some more, and I do have to say I appreciate the amount of refinement Ford put into the GT's engine, at times I forgot it was supercharged. I was expecting something more coarse like the SVT Mustang Cobra's sound and power delivery. In short, I enjoyed the GT, I'm glad Ford made it, but I don't think it's easy to live with or to drive. Compared to the F430, the Ford GT is more demanding in many aspects and is likely to stab you in the back of the head at the worst possible moment.

    Corvette Z06 -- I know a guy who has one and I've already driven fast in it, so I knew what to expect. Very driveable on the street although yes, I agree, the steering is somewhat numb. Also disappointed by what seemed to be an exhaust leak under acceleration, and of course the usual complaints about body gaps, interior materials, et al. A leather-covered dash would have been nice. It felt very neutral and was tightly sprung but not excruciatingly so. I drove this immediately after the Ford GT and as a result I was taken by the streetability and driver visibility in comparison. But I already knew what to expect, in short. This car doesn't feel all that special on the streets and comes into its own on a track.

    Aston Martin DB9 -- I have to confess I haven't been a big fan of Astons. I am somewhat of a fan now, but I was turned off by the sheer size of the DB9. It was definitely more of a GT; comparing the DB9 to something like a 911 is ludicrous. As I expected, it was big, green, and wooden. I didn't get the expected power or sound out of the V12, but then again it had a lot of weight to carry around and Astons are about being buttoned-down. I like to think of the DB9 as a Gorilla in a tuxedo. At speed it felt nimble for a car of its size but not really like a sports car, although it was trying. At speed on the mountains it felt as if some minor niggling was going on in the suspension, probably the work of a computerized nanny stability program. It made me feel uncomfortable at high speeds. I found the combination of paddle shifters and push button gear selection confusing (not to mention the "R" button broke so we had to push the car in neutral). In my opinion it shouldn't really compare to the F430. It's a gentleman's GT car.

    Bentley GT -- I barely feel like mentioning it here, it's not a sports car or even a good GT car IMO. It's for someone who wants a luxury car but wants to THINK he owns a sports car. Far too much like Buckingham Palace suspended on marshmallows. Not comparable at all to an F430.
     
  23. tubeguy

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    How can they bring it up? Cause the M cars kick ass. My E46 M3 I can pound into the ground and through all the BMW's I have owned I have never replaced a clutch which is as replaceable as tires on a Ferrari.

    I had a guy pull up next to me in one of those Dodge SRT huge-ass muscle cars wanting to race and off the line I smoked him from a dead start. He then tried at a start speed of 50 MP and it wasn't gonna happen. I smoked him again.

    Another Dodge tried to race my F430 and this guy was trying every which way to make it look like he wan't getting trounced....but trounced he was.

    But if my finances fell apart an M3 would make me quite happy. And it doesn't break. And the warranty rules. It handles that good. It is that fast. And it's got a cup holder.
     
  24. Carnut

    Carnut F1 Rookie

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    My moded M6 coupe is putting out around 565hp, and yes it is a GT car, but it is a blast to drive.
     
  25. toggie

    toggie F1 World Champ
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    When I first got my F430 in Oct 06, I also felt the F1 shifting was hard, especially the first upshift from 1st to 2nd under power. However, the more I drive it, the smoother it gets. The F1 shift points become second nature and I can now accelerate very quickly without the head-jerking drama.

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