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Can't fill up 360 with gas

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  1. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
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    When filling up my 2003 360, the pump handle keeps stopping every few seconds even though the tank is half empty. I tried varying the position of the handle but it keeps happening. What wrong?
     
  2. maurice70

    maurice70 F1 Rookie

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    This might be a silly question but is it at all gas stations or just one particular one?
     
  3. donald

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    I have this same problem at most gas stations in Texas when filling up my 328. It drives me crazy. I think I read that this is common with older Ferraris but I assumed not a problem with newer models.
     
  4. Meister

    Meister F1 Veteran
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    It's been many months sice I filled the 308 with gas, but IIRC.... I have to not only vary the rate of fill though handle flucuation, but also not have the nosel fully inserted.

    There's a magic spot with both flow rate and length of insertion that gets the job done.
     
  5. PT 328

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    The only station where I can fill my 328 without any problems is Chevron. It makes for an interesting game while traveling. " Who can spot the first Chevron off the freeway? ".

    Dan
     
  6. 62 250 GTO

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    It may have to do with the angle of the nozzle. Air has to leave the tanks as gas goes in. If you block this air {there is a little mechanical part in the handle} the fuel pump will shut off. This happens to me in my cars from time to time if I don't have the handle straight or if I twist the handle while pumping. An older gent in a beautiful Chevy Nova explained that to me as we were tying up the gas pump asking questions about each others cars!
     
  7. ZINGARA 250GTL

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    Never had the problem with my '01 360 though I've had it once in a while with different cars, different locations. Annoying. Maybe someone can help.


     
  8. Under PSI

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    I had a similar problem with my 996TT shortly after having service done on it. It turned out that during the service they had some how blown a fuse that controlled an anti-syphon valve on the tank. I don't know if the 360 has a similar valve but you may want to look into it.
     
  9. Bullfighter

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    Good info - and that makes sense, as I've had the problem in my Jeep periodically as well as in the 328. I would be surprised if Ferrari 360 fill necks are much different than any other cars.

    I use them just for the Techron in their fuels. But I've had good luck with their pumps not shutting off prematurely as well.
     
  10. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

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    Thanks for all your comments. It happened a couple of times at different pumps but not at another pump today in my neighborhood. I'll keep using that pump as much as possible.
     
  11. maurice70

    maurice70 F1 Rookie

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    Thats what I was thinking.In my car at a particular gas station it takes forever to put gas in so I think that pump must be sensitive
     
  12. Perfusion

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    I had the same problem on my '79 GT4. I seem to have 'cured' it by rotating the gas nozzle 90 degrees to the left (i.e., so the handle is at the 9 o'clock position), but I think that has more to do with the orientation of the fill neck, associated hoses, and tank. YMMV on a 360.
     
  13. sammyb

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    Perfusion is absolutely correct...Essentially, if you rotate the handle so that the flow goes directly down the fill tube, it will work. I had this issue on my 328 GTS until I did exactly what Perfusion did (rotate couterclockwise.)

    It's easy to see how it all works on my Triumph TR3, which has a central gas tank and filler. Once the level of the tank gets near the nozzle, there's increased pressure on the flow, which in turn, shuts it off. If you are pumping right into a bend in the filler tube, it does the same thing. Since most American fuel fillers bend straight down, that's how the handles are situated for the pumps, but this actually means that on Ferraris, with the handle in the down position, flow is restricted.

    Sam
     
  14. jck

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    Uuh, you are talking about cars, right?
     
  15. h00kem

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    I have experienced the same problem on all of my F-cars ranging from the 348, 355,360 and 575. Must have something to do with pump pressure. Really makes it a pain to fill you having to go so slow!
     
  16. leead1

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    I had the same problem on my 2003 360 Modena. I just had to fill it up slowly. At some gas stations as the other poster mentioned the handle was to stiff to regulate and it was very difficult.

    Sorry I could not help more. FYI my F430 does not have that issue.

    Lee
     
  17. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

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    Thanks everyone. This seems to be a common problem with Ferraris. Now I won't waste money trying to fix a problem that can't be fixed!
     
  18. brunetti

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    it is extremely annoying and time consuming filling it up. Any tips to solve the problem appreciated.
     
  19. Slim

    Slim Formula 3

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    Since you're in California I assume the pump nozzles have the big black things around them? I've had some success on problem cars by pulling that part up as far as I can by hand and then sticking the exposed nozzle into the filler neck. Might want to carry around some disposable gloves.
     
  20. CavalloRosso

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    Am I crazy or if you pull the nozzle out a little bit (i.e. not insert it fully) this problem should go away.
     
  21. docster

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    I have experienced the same problem with my '03 360 Modena, at a variety of different station locations and brands, in Oregon, Washington, and California. I've tried manipulating both the angle and depth of nozzle insertion without apparent effect. Rarely, the slowest setting on the auto-shutoff will allow almost complete filling of the tank; most often, though, patient "teasing" the fuel in manually is required.

    This can be a particularly annoying problem here in Oregon, as state law prohibits self-service. However, it's very rare that the attendant won't look the other way while I do the refueling--in spite of potentially severe penalties written into the law. I've been told by station operators that it's $10K per offense!

    After a rash of "short fills" during early ownership, I've become pretty accurate at estimating how much fuel is needed from the fuel gauge. Still a PITA, especially when a station attendant has to be coaxed into manually filling it ever so slowly...

    dn
     
  22. chrismorse

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    Dude, I've had this very same personal problem, not with the car though :)

    A man's got to know his limitations,

    HTH,
    chris
     
  23. m3power222

    m3power222 Formula 3

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    My 360 had the same problem. Just have to fill slowley on the first notch. I've had some stations even on the slowest/first notch still put in too much pressure and auto stop. Those ones you'll just have to stand there and feather the throttle in:)

    I've heard mention of not putting in the nozzle all the way, bad idea. I tried that and when it automatically stops more then likely it will cause gas to overflow onto the paint.
     
  24. vteqe

    vteqe Formula Junior

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    I have he same filling problem with my 84' 308 and my '70 Lotus 7. Moving the nozzle in or out has no change. The only continous fill is holding the tigger to about half flow.
     
  25. Spinne

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    Also I find if you dont give it full flow it works better
     

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