308 FISPA Filter: Baldwin PF834 Does Not Match

I haven't read this reference to the PF834, but in any case - as you discovered yourself - it does not fit, nor does any other Baldwin fuel filter fit as well. I have done alot of research on my own going through their current catalogue, as well as their obsolete catalogue and nothing comes close to working.

Surprising as they make both air (carb cars #PA2094) and oil (B253) filters, you think they would have produced a fuel filter to complete the package.

We'll have to stick with the FISPA for now...

 

Why don't you just use a replacement UFI filter? They fit and work perfectly.

 

The filter canister you have on your car is nearly the same one I have on mine (mine is made by FIAAM):
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i have used the PF866 on my 74 308gt4, my 78 308GTS, and both of the 77 308 GTB's i had. it depends which system you have i guess.
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PF866 is for Fiamm. i just looked in my notes.

 

You mean that that filter fits the FIAAM canister system? If so, did you install the spring from the old filter element with this PF866? The spring is necesary as it maintains the seal at the top of the filter element to the canister body (whose boss for the filter element is quite short, as it needs to be, to allow the fuel to enter via that centre bolt).

 

Well, a one-click search at Baldwin's website yields this result:

PART NUMBER: PF866

Descriptions : Suction Side Fuel Element

Fits : Ferrari Automotive

Replaces : Alfa Romeo 105500460000

O.D. : 2 9/16 (65.1)

I.D. : 17/32 (13.5) & 11/16 (17.5)

Length : 2 31/32 (75.4)

A.Gskt : [2] Attached

F.Gskt : G172

I had previously searched under "Ferrari" listings and nothing came up. I forgot that certain Alfa Romeo 4-cyl's used these same filter systems... No mention of the spring though.

 

Some more searching in the Ferrari applications shows that this exact filter is spec'd for '64 and '65 275 GTB's...

 

yes i used the spring every time.

 

I went down to the garage and dug up my old filter - the UFI I have in my picture which is part #26.616.00 - and it's nowhere close to the same size as the Baldwin, especially in the critical areas of the rubber gaskets in the centre, which seal off the inlet side of the filter, to the outlet side. Here's the UFI measurements:

O.D. : 63.5mm
I.D. : 13 and 14.5mm
L. : 77mm

The orange FIAAM filter is what I have in the car currently and it was a dead match with the old UFI that came out.

 

with no car here anymore i have nothing else to go on. i bought 5 of the filters and only have one new one left.seems the early cars had Facet pumps and FISPA filter housings? ill look in the cross ref thread, as i had a dino and a gtb when i wrote that stuff. now i am confused!

 

I had the same confusion on my GT4. I purchased a PF 834 (what the Balbwin catalog listed, the only # listed). It didn't fit at 106 mm long vs 75 mm filter that I took out. The strange thing was that the old filter had a partial Baldwin # PF-8xx. I couldn't read the last 2 (or more) numbers. I spent about an hour looking through the Baldwin Master catalog at the counter trying to match the dimensions. Baldwin listed lengths with the gaskets (or without the gaskets ?? ) which ever was opposite of what I was looking for. After figuring that out I found the filter for an Alfa Romeo Montreal V8 was what I had removed from my car. Of course that would make them readily available at any parts house...NOT. The Baldwin dealer ordered that filter (PF-866) along with my oil and air filters, had them in hand in 2 days.
A little investigating at a later date showed Ferrari part #'s for both the Fiamm and Fispa systems and their respective filter elements and both systems have succeding #'s. Probably just bought what was the cheapest or available at the time and installed what ever was on the shelf.
Bottom line is that if your element is 75mm long use PF-866. If it is 106mm long use PF-834.

 

great advice! the local heavy truck service place has a greats election of Baldwin stuff, and they have always treated me well when i went in there. they love it when i drove one of the cars there to order or pick up stuff.

i have never seen or used a Baldwin air filter as i prefer the regular K&N for the stock air box, or 4 individual K&N's.

anybody know if there was a separation of Fiamm versus Fispa in early and late carb cars ? i wonder what the BB365 and BB512's use.... ?

 

Maybe we should start a list of FISPA or FIAMM vs build date to see if there is a clear trend.

My GT4 has FIAMM, uses PF-866, build date 10/77