head to head schmac hamilton 1st seven races

Andreas,

This is the best comparison we can currently make. MS, Senna, Prost (a reasonable car) and others did not start their career in the very best car on the grid, BUT JV did and he used it just as well as LH.

Thus we need to review LH with more of a level head because it IS easy for him at the moment. Like I have said before somewhere, if Weber was in that McLaren he would probably have the same results so far this season, that does not make Weber the next Senna, Moss, Fangio?. We have seen that Weber can pass and can qualify well just like LH.

LH has yet have a hard race, yes holding out Alonso's passing attempt at Indy was exciting but a heck of a lot easier than holding out a 'nutcase' like Senna that MS had to do, and also a 'nutcase' like MS that JV had to do.

The other rookies also are trying to do too much in the first corner because they know that is their only chance to pass, because they are sitting in slow tanks, thus it is first corner or nothing ... thus ofcourse things go wrong. LH instead is easily able to qualify in the top 4 every race because 'I could probably do that in the same car' the McLaren is so hooked up this year (again because he has the best car setter-upper on the grid as his team mate).

We need to keep a cool head because look how the press ruined Jensens and JVs career ... LH needs to not think too highly of himself as otherwise we ALL will miss out on watching him develop. I just hope (because IMO he should not be in such a good car) that he can be pushed enough too develop.
Pete

 

That is nonsense.

Webber is not in the McLaren but Alonso IS, and no one would ever argue that Webber is even remotely close to Alonso in terms of driving skill. If Alonso is having his hands full keeping up with Hamilton, what makes you think that Webber would be even close to having the same results as Hamilton?!?

My guess is a guy like Webber would be no closer to Alonso in a McLaren than Massa or Rubens was to Schumacher while driving a Ferrari. His performance would be better than it is in the Red Bull but he would be far distant to his teammate and not even remotely close to the achievement of Hamilton.

 

Here's a question for you guys;
If it were still Kimi at McLaren instead of Alonso, what do you think the standings would look like right now?

 

You have to paint a bigger scenario picture than just that: Are you implying that MS would then still be in the Ferrari? In that case MS would be leading the championship. For several reasons: He would have won the races Kimi and Massa won (but as a single person, hence getting all the points) and he would have won those they squandered. Also the Ferrari team would be better because Brown would still run it and the car would be better because MS would have developed it.

Also with Alonso not sitting in the McLaren, that car wouldn't have developed as much. Ferrari would be leading both championships with McLaren close behind.

 

No, my question has nothing to do with Ferrari.

I would say that Kimi is a faster driver than Alonso. The McLarens have been very reliable so far. Do you think Kimi would be ahead of Lewis, or would it still be the same results we are seeing now?

 

Ah, I see. That is a hard one to answer.

I guess the results would be similar:

+ Kimi is faster than Alonso
+ Kimi wouldn't care about Hamilton being fast or the lack of team orders
- Kimi would probably be just as screwed up mentally at McLaren as he is at Ferrari, so he'd be lolly gagging instead of racing
- The car wouldn't have progressed as fast in the development because Alonso's input is missing.

 

Senna2xWC,

Because LH is having it easy in a good team that has a hooked up car. What you are all forgetting is that many in the middle of the field are driving just as hard and fast for their car as the guys that win, just their car requirements so much more effort because it is a piece of ****.

Cars that have an advantage on the rest of the field ARE easier to drive, fact! And as sad as this is for me to say, a good driver in F1 only makes 5% difference over a reasonable driver. Its mostly the car!

Pete

 

actually, it does make a lot of sense. last week Prost said, races these days are decided in the pitlane, and not on the track. he also said there's too much of technology involved in modern F1 cars.

he pointed out, perhaps, the only thing could go wrong is driver errors...

 

I don't agree. He would find a way to flip the car several times and DNF that way in 60% of the races.

 

I agree with the disagreement.

 

Nicely said.

Also please note who LH is competing with; Alonso. Who is probably the most " complete package " on the grid considering experiance, raw talent , and car. And then consider the favored treatment that FA held within the team prior to Canada.

As for the simulator;
Shumi had a track in his backyard. An "unfair advantage" at the time ?
Alonso I believe may have access.

 

Maybe , but he would not have had to over drive so hard to try to get the results he's (not) getting. Thus because he is not over driving the car so hard he would be much smoother and less likely to DNF via flipping the car.

You see it is all relative. Slow cars are hard to drive fast, but fast cars are easy to drive slow ... and smooth.

Thus we cannot judge LH in by far the best car on the grid. We need to see him rattled under pressure of a poor performance! We need to see him under the pressure of loosing his job at the end of the year if he does not perform like most of the others on the grid ... instead he most definitely has been given the biggest golden handshake since JV.
Pete

 

What's all the LH bashing really about?
I'm glad to see the new spark in F1 replace the old parade. As for RD "paying" for his career? LH F1 "robot"? Did not Cus D’Amato do the same for the idiotic megalomaniac Iron Mike? Were not the Kennedy boys groomed for politics as ol’ Prescott did for big and lil' George? C'mon guys. LH is not Tazio or Gilles. But for Keke Rosberg to compare the bravery of the brother to the immortal Gilles Villenuve speaks volumes to the talent and skill of LH. The last time I checked bravery at lighting speeds in and out of corners was, and still is, PRICELESS. I think all of us are enjoying F1 a whole lot more thanks in part to Ron Dennis. Now if only we could find a kid that loves Red and Prancing horses….

 

This comparison really isn't fair.