Hi All, Now I know carbon ceramic brakes are expensive, but I am surprised at the 360 Challenge Stradale pads... I can replace the pads on my CC equpied 430 Challenge car for ~$500 an axle, but the CS is quoted at $1800 per "axle" (for lack of a better term). Does anyone have a cheaper source for CS brake pads? (other than a full steel swap out? Thanks!
This might help (a bit) : http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=263833 http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=263832
I don't have both cars in the same location so can't tell exactly... I think the rotors on the 430 Challenge are a bit larger than the CS... from the outside, the calipers have a different shape... I'll find that out. I'm curious as well. (Especially as there is a $1000+ difference in just pads.)
I have both cars and my F430 has the ceramic brake option. Visually ... they look exactly the same. I did not take an exact measurment since I would have to remove the wheels but I have the same Challenge wheels on both cars and the rotors, calipers, etc. look identical. I would be very surprised if the systems in the two cars were different.
maybe you can call MG1 Motor Sports 760-504-5224 in southern california. they maintain the challenge cars (360 and 430 i believe) for ferrari of orange county. ask for keith or bobby. let us know what you find out.
$500 per axle is a great price for Challenge cars. $1500 is not such a great price but better than $1800. Maybe we can get a Challenge team to buy brake pads for Stradale's. There must be a better way.
Interesting information on brade pads etc. At what mileage are most of you CS owners finding the need to change pads? I suspect it's heavily dependant on track time and how well one takes care of them. Ernest.
My 430 is a Challenge Car... the rotors are quite a bit a bit larger than the CS... CS is roughly 15 inch rotor and the 430 Challenge is nearly 17 inches. The 430 street car's CC brakes are the same size rotors as the CS, but a bit different shape of brake pad... very, very close though. Price is still high... if any one has some 430 pads I can test fit, I'd be happy to see if they work. As to the question about mileage, my CS has ~9k miles and I've done a bunch of tracking... this is my first set. I was impressed at how long they lasted. There area ton of variables in it... the Challenge car is pretty much a set a weekend... and they tend to wear faster if you left foot brake. As Ernest says... that is what I consider taking care of them. I checked with my Challenge team... they can get them for about what Ricambi offers.
OK, How does a 17" rotor fit inside a 19" wheel???? Please check again as there is not much room left over on our 19" Stradale wheel with our approx 15.4" rotor. Considering the thickness of the wheel and the caliper body on the outside. I just don't think you are correct. But I will measure the Stradale wheel and rotor when I get home. Any way the real issue is brake pads and where to buy them.
I agree... sounds odd.... I'll ask the guys to measure it up... my CS is with me in Nor Cal and the Challenge is in So Cal at the shop. We have a few pokers in the fire on pads. I'll fill in what we hear back.
OK, here 'tis... This doesn't account for any difference is pad shape, caliper size, or compounds... but at least I know the sizes now. Enjoy. 430 Challenge Rotor Sizes: 398 X 36 mm (front) 350 X 34 mm (rear) CS Rotor sizes: 380 X 34 mm (front) 350 X 34mm (rear) 430 Carbon package 380 X 34 mm (front) 350 X 34mm (rear)
How many of you in your Cs. Have changed the rotor´s - (how many miles have you put on them).. Ive put in around 12.000 kilometers - and still going a lot of track kilometers aswell...
The compound used in the pads for a CS, an F430 and a 430 Challenge is different. The F430 compound is "softer" than that used on the CS and the Challenge is more aggressive. Discs on a Challenge car last for about (max) 2000 kms..... I am in the process of changing all 4 discs on my CS for the first time. 15000 kms in total, of which 9000 kms of track (using slicks). Note: that (1) as the disc wears, the pads wear out much more quickly and (2) It is VERY difficult to judge whether a CCM disc is worn out. The "Brake Service" light comes on according to a complex algorithm that takes into consideration the number of times and violence of each braking amongst other things. Obviously there is a margin of security included. However, it is worth noting that to judge whether a disc is "finished" or not one would have to have the exact weight of the disc when new (before ever used) and then compare it to the weight of the disc when used. To do this all brake dust would need to be removed also. If the weight of the used disc is 8% less than the weight of the disc when it was new, then the disc is finished. The risk in not changing the discs is that the disc when finished can explode without any form of warning. If that happens to you at the end of a straight at 150 mph, the cost of the discs and pads is going to seem VERY cheap! To put it bluntly, if you want a braking system as exceptional as this, you are going to have to pay for it! Mind you prices for discs have dropped by more than half since the beginning.
How much to change the discs and pads on a CS? I think is in the upper $20Ks and that's why I stay away from a CS, the cost to replace these things are just too much if I'm right. Any info would be welcome.
Currently around 12k euros...of course with a US dollar heading south that makes for a lot of $$$$$$s.
